Regents committee proposes ban on illegal immigrants
by Jon Gillooly
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ATLANTA - A special Board of Regents committee proposed Tuesday that illegal immigrants be banned from attending Georgia universities that, because of a lack of room, must turn away academically eligible students.

The committee's recommendation will be considered by the full Board of Regents on Oct. 13. If approved, it would go into effect for the 35-institution university system in the fall of 2011.

Presently, University of Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State, the Medical College of Georgia, and Georgia College and State University in Milledgeville are the only state institutions known to deny academically eligible students because of space. Under the committee's proposal, even if they paid out-of-state tuition, illegal immigrants would not be allowed to attend one of those five universities, or, in the future, any other college or university where academically eligible Georgians were turned away. The 29 students who attend those five institutions and are in the U.S. illegally would be allowed to remain at their schools under a grandfather clause.

The 130,000-student university system allows illegal immigrants to attend a Georgia university provided they pay out-of-state tuition. The proposed policy would still allow illegal immigrants to pay out-of-state tuition to attend such universities as Kennesaw State, which does not turn away any students as long as they meet admissions standards, said Regents spokesman John Millsaps.

The committee's recommendation came after staff informed members that there are 501 students in the University System of Georgia who have not provided documentation that they are a legal U.S. resident. Of those, there are 17 at Kennesaw State and 11 at Southern Polytechnic State University, Millsaps said. All 501 students now pay out-of-state tuition.

The special committee was created after it was learned that KSU student Jessica Colotl is an illegal immigrant who has been paying in-state tuition since 2006.

Regent Larry Walker, an attorney with Walker, Hulbert, Gray & Byrd, who served in the Georgia General Assembly for more than 30 years, warned of legislative backlash if the committee didn't approve the proposal.

"It shows our concern in this particular area, concern for our citizens," Walker said. "It'd be mighty, mighty hard for me if I had a son or a daughter or grandson or granddaughter that couldn't get in to Georgia, and I found out the reason they couldn't get in was because somebody who was illegally in the country did get in."

But Regent Felton Jenkins of Madison, a retired partner with King & Spalding, urged the committee to vote against the recommendation.

"I think we need to do what's right and not necessarily what's expedient, and I just don't think it's right to turn down qualified people," Jenkins said.

Jenkins said he too believed there would be upcoming legislative action on the matter of illegal immigrants attending Georgia schools.

"We'll have the chance at that point to negotiate with whoever's introducing the legislation to maybe end up at a place like this. But I think if we start off at a place like this, we're giving up some control ... And I don't want to make that admission," Jenkins said.

State lawmakers decide if illegal immigrants can attend universities in their state.

The five Board of Regents members on the committee in attendance on Tuesday, except Jenkins, voted in favor of the proposal. Six committee members, who are employees of the university system, abstained.

Another recommendation, approved without objection, was to add a statement on all college or university applications that warns of the consequences of providing false information. The statement states that false swearing may result in dismissal, a fine of up to $1,000, or jail time of between one and five years per Georgia law.

A third committee recommendation, approved without objection, was to include a statement on college applications asking whether the applicant wants to seek in-state tuition. Presently, an applicant is simply asked if he or she is a Georgia resident. If the applicant wants in-state tuition, the university will be required to verify that they are a resident of the state.

After the meeting, Chancellor Erroll Davis said lawmakers intent on drafting legislation on illegal immigrants in Georgia's schools need to know that it's not a problem.

"I'd ask them - do the numbers merit their efforts?" Davis said.

At the same time, Davis said he didn't know how far the committee's recommendations would go to satisfy Georgians.

"I am hopeful that as you listen to the articulated concerns earlier, one, there was a concern about large numbers of students in the system. This is not true," Davis said. "There was a concern about them being subsidized, getting a state subsidized education. This is not true. We are in fact making money. And thirdly, there was the concern about taking seats away from qualified Georgians. We have now addressed that issue. And so I am now not sure what issues you would put forward to preclude human beings from getting an education. And I'm not going to suggest what the mind of any legislator will put forward at this point, but I believe we have addressed every issue that has been surfaced in the public."

But anti-illegal immigration activist D.A. King of Marietta accused the committee members of acting in bad faith.

"They voted to possibly, maybe, exclude illegal aliens from schools that can't accept all the people who apply, but they did not do it to protect real immigrants or citizens," King said. "They did it so that the Legislature couldn't get into their business and make them do something."

King said the argument about there being a very small number of illegal immigrants using Georgia universities was unacceptable.

"For most of us, if one American or one real immigrant is cheated out of a classroom seat by an illegal alien or a Board of Regents who is terrified to do the right thing, then it's too many," King said.

On the national front, meantime, the so-called "DREAM Act" is apparently dead for the time being. The DREAM Act would allow illegal immigrants who are students to become permanent residents of the U.S. if they came here as children, are long-term U.S. residents, have good moral character, and attend college or enlist in the military for at least two years. It would also give such students eligibility for higher education benefits based on state residence unless a U.S. national is similarly eligible without regard to such state residence. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was expected to try to attach it to the defense authorization bill this week, but he failed to get cloture on the motion to proceed to the defense bill Tuesday afternoon. Therefore, there is currently no timetable for consideration, according to U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson's office.

"The DREAM Act would reward those who have obtained an education in a system in which they have not contributed," Isakson said. "While I understand the complex details of students who are seeking financial assistance for educational purposes who were brought to this country by their parents without a choice, I am not supportive of programs that reward illegal activity. I also would not support legislation that will pay for the education of an illegal immigrant when there are thousands of United States citizens who are in need of similar educational funds."
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Robert Johnson
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September 27, 2010
D.A. King did this. Hooray for DA!
Get with it people
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September 27, 2010
I understand people want to get an education and they may be qualified, but if they are ILLEGAL then they should not be allowed to go to school in our university system. All that would do is further say "Hey it's ok for you to break our laws and be here illegally". I also hate to see how much of a financial strain the illegals are putting on our K-12 programs. I think you should be a legal citizen to go to school PERIOD! When is Americ going to get with it and be touch on immigration like the rest of the world? China, Japan, Germany, etc...they all have tough immigration.
Just Wait
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September 24, 2010
Just exactly what are these children of illegals learning in our country? They are learning to take advantage of our school systems by demanding to be taught in their native language. They are learning to receive free meals at school because their parents cannot afford them. They are learning to be dependent on government services such as food stamps, welfare and medicaid. They are NOT learning the language of the country they now call home. They are NOT learning the proper way to become citizens of the country they have adopted. They are NOT learning to be self-sufficient and live without government assistance. So it appears that they are not wanting to learn but learning to want. That is why so many are upset over this issue.
mk,..sic of BS!
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September 23, 2010
Unfortunately, our country is turning into the corrupt, dangerous country these people came here to escape! The reason?? Because they don't have the integrity & COURAGE to stay in their own country & FIGHT for what is right! America BETTER wake up! These ILLEGALS are here to TAKE everything they can get their greedy little hands on, & leave us w/ NOTHING once they're finished!
Mr G
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September 23, 2010
Why is there so much hatred for children wanting to learn, get good grades and exceed in school? Isn’t that what we parents are supposed to encourage our students to do? I am sure majority of these children had no choice in coming to this country, illegally or legally and they are trying to make something of themselves; while having a bunch of “self righteous” bigots do nothing but try to bring them down. What is everyone afraid of, that they are actually smarter and more intelligence than the child you raised???
fed upp
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September 23, 2010
Directed to El Paso,

Dear sir/madam,

Please continue on with your life experience by traveling south of the border that actually separates the USA and Mexico and do not return. There are proud people located there and I’m quite sure they will set your attitude straight in no time at all.

As to the matter of the honor student who lived here all her life -- please explain the MEXICAN driver license this “Pillar” regularly used in her daily routine. I certainly hope this individual is NOT the best, shining example of Kennesaw’s ability to achieve – has anyone asked if she knows the meaning of “is” yet???

Or perhaps former students are simply returning in droves to get their tuition monies returned… One can always hope.

Dalton citizen
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September 22, 2010
El Paso, if you knew English, it is "too" bad.
Big Eddie
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September 22, 2010
Was this young lady not driving without a driver's license ? When we can sneak in Mexico , go to Mexican schools , get jobs in Mexico , go to Mexican hospitals for free and drive drunk in Mexico and merely be deported when we are caught , then turnabout would be fair play . Build the dang fence , patrol the border , keep our country safe .
BiillyBob
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September 22, 2010
Jessica Koloital should go back to Mexiko and get her education.
el paso
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September 22, 2010
Jessica Colotl is an honor student and has lived here since she was a child. Education should be encouraged, and if your grandchild is to dumb to compete with an illegal , to bad. How much is King paid to run his anti hispanic organization?
douste
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September 22, 2010
What about all the ones in our public schools we are paying for?
MelindaF
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September 22, 2010
Do you not understand that you are already in violation of both state and federal law?

To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, we have established what you are, gentlemen. You are now merely haggling over the extent of your lawlessness.
mbf9520
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September 22, 2010
I agree! What part about ILLEGAL is not understood??? Send them back to where they came from. All of them. They have no right to be here. They have no rights in this country unless they go through the process to become a TAX PAYING citizen. They shouldn't be allowed to go to any school, college or K-12. They are nothing by leeches and parasites to our already upset economy.
Faye Abbott
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September 22, 2010
It makes me sick to think that an Illegal Alien could get into college while one of my Grandchildren might be denied that seat when they have been born here in America and a legal citizen all their life. This is not right and should not be allowed. I am glad the "Dream Act" did not get voted in, didn't even get to Cloture. Now Obama will say the Republicans are voting against the Defense bill, when they were not. They should not be able to attach such bills as the Dream Act to the Defense Bill, the defense bill should stand on it's own with NOTHING attached to it.
ugagrad
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September 22, 2010
So is Colotl going to pay back the difference in the "in-state" tuition she has had for the last four years at KSU???? Finally some of the Regents have the backbone to do what is right and should have been done a long time ago. And why are there still 500 undocumented students here????? Oh they must be the terrorist supporting students here learning from our system how to take our country down.
rpaul20988
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September 22, 2010
KSU just used school attorney to support an illegal student that IS going there as an in state student. She was arrested for driving violations and no liciense and support to keep her here with sckool money, student and tax dollars to support a law breaker while locals are turned away.
rpaul20988
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September 22, 2010
ILLEGAL is against the law, if we are not going to support this dont arrest another drunk, robber, or any person violating any laws. Illegal is a federal law !!!!!!!!!!!!

DO ALL OR DO NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Healthcare is based on providing for, but how many are illegals? I am ashamed at how many actually feel you have to be in another country to starve, well you can do it right here and easily when your a citizen because we seem to honor and value the illegals and other countries more than our own. WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pat H
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September 22, 2010
Thank you, DA, for supporting citizens and taxpayers.

Mr. Jenkins, you are an idiot and a disgrace. You are being paid by me, and other hard working and suffering Georgians, while being more concerned with illegal aliens who do not pay taxes.
mike norman
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September 22, 2010
i hope it passes. illegal students have no right to attend our schools period!!! from the 1st grade all the way through college.. they are no more than thieves stealing room in our schools and many times slowing down the learning abilities of those students that have every right to be there. including the legal immigrants whose parents chose to do the right thing. WHAT IS IT ABOUT "ILLEGAL" FOLKS DONT UNDERSTAND !!!!!!!
Juan Pedro
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September 22, 2010
That's fine. I'll just apply at Kennesaw State University or one of the other dozens of state universities that I am not banned from attending. No big deal.
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