Decision on job expected today for safety chief
by Katy Ruth Camp
krcamp@mdjonline.com
July 30, 2010 12:00 AM | 2663 views | 17 17 comments | 23 23 recommendations | email to a friend | print
Public Safety Director Mickey Lloyd's explanation of how two military discharge forms were submitted to Cobb's Human Resources Department is inaccurate, according to county staff. Meantime, a Navy veteran and former FBI agent said a photograph Lloyd presented Wednesday does nothing to prove Lloyd received one of the medals he claims to have earned during the Vietnam War.

The status of Lloyd's employment with the county should be announced this afternoon, county spokesman Robert Quigley said. Lloyd is an "at-will employee," and County Manager David Hankerson has the right to fire him for any reason at any time, Quigley said.

A firestorm of controversy began to envelop Lloyd in mid-June, after county commissioners received a letter from Byll Davis of Vinings alleging that the public safety director, who presides over the county's police, fire, 911 and animal control departments, has continuously embellished his military career.

Lloyd publicly defended himself Wednesday afternoon, but questions linger whether he has been honest about his military history.

Lloyd has repeatedly been announced at speaking engagements and in publications as being a Navy SEAL during the Vietnam War, and having received varying medals including the Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart.

Lloyd said Wednesday he did earn the Silver and Bronze stars, but never received the Purple Heart and never claimed to be a SEAL.

The Silver and Bronze stars are included on a DD 214 military discharge form Lloyd said he received in 1970, which also lists Lloyd as receiving the National Defense Service Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal, the Presidential Unit Citation, the Navy Unit Citation and the Combat Action Ribbon. However, a second DD 214 found in Lloyd's personnel file only lists the National Defense Service Medal and the Vietnam Service Medal.

Lloyd said Wednesday that he submitted the DD 214 with Silver and Bronze stars to the human resources department in March for retirement incentive purposes, but was told he would need a certified copy to submit, which is how the second DD 214 came to be. He said he requested it from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis and received it in June. Lloyd said he never looked at it and sent a personnel representative to take it to the HR department. He said he was shocked later to find out that the second DD 214 listed only two medals.

However, Quigley said Lloyd's story has been confirmed false by county staff and officials.

"The first DD 214 he turned in at the end of March was certified and listed two medals. HR did not ask Director Lloyd for a certified copy, and from their perspective, they were done and did not need anything else from him," Quigley said. "He gave the second DD 214 listing eight medals to HR in June, telling them he wanted it included in his county personnel file."

Lloyd and his attorney met with Hankerson Wednesday afternoon for two-and-a-half hours in Hankerson's office to discuss official military records Hankerson received from the St. Louis records center. Lloyd acknowledged that the documents only list him receiving the National Defense and Vietnam service medals.

However, Lloyd gave Hankerson a stack of documents Wednesday that included a list of the eight medals he claims to have received, followed by this statement: "The Director has attached a photograph showing the presentation of at least one of the above awards."

The photograph is of Lloyd shaking an officer's hand while holding something in his other hand.

Navy Vietnam veteran and former FBI agent Oliver Halle said there is no way the photograph is of Lloyd being presented with any of the medals he claims to have been awarded.

"That is not a medal in his hand. I have a Combat Action Ribbon and it isn't that, and it definitely is not a Bronze Star or a Silver Star. I've been at medal ceremonies, and they pin it on you. You certainly wouldn't be holding it in your hand. To me, it looks more like a promotion ceremony, and definitely does not appear to be a ceremony awarding a combat medal," Halle said.

However, although no citations have surfaced proving the Silver Star, Halle said he saw one displayed in Lloyd's office around March 2008, and even discussed the medal with Lloyd.

"I was in his office to get his help to get a lot of cops to cover a Veterans Memorial Day event in East Cobb Park I was helping to organize and I saw it on the right side of his office in a display case. And he was behind his desk and I said something in shock like, 'I didn't know you won a silver star, whoa!' I mean, that's a really big deal, to see that. Whatever he said back was a typical, humble remark, then we went on speaking about other things," Halle said.

When asked Wednesday if he will ever be able to prove he won the Silver and Bronze stars, Lloyd said: "I don't know. As of right now, I can't prove I have them."

If terminated, Lloyd can appeal the county manager's decision to the county commissioners, who would likely vote in executive session whether to hear it, Quigley said. If so, the appeals hearing would take place in a public session, during which commissioners would vote whether to uphold the decision, Quigley said.
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mrwoolyrad
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July 30, 2010
Mickey, you got caught in a lie! When you resign I'm sure you will blame everyone else, the media, the military record keeping, etc. This whole incident can only be blamed on yourself. How about a big hand for the guy who was paying attention and spoted a lie when he heard it and requested an investigation!

Lets hope the Feds will pursue the investigation into the falsification of military documents, fraud, stolen valor, etc, etc, etc....
Chad Degree
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July 30, 2010
It would appear that Chadwick University, from which Lloyd 'earned' his BS degree, is a diploma mill, which was recently kicked out of the state of Alabama. Degrees are 'awarded' based on life experience and how much money one wants to pay. Meaning Lloyd's college degree in criminal science is not worth the paper it is printed on. Are you investigating this MDJ?
MttCountryClub
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July 30, 2010
Hankerson does not have the guts to let Mickey go.

Please Mr. Hankerson; Mickey doesn't want to go.

The Commissioners will just reinstate him.
seen it all
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July 30, 2010
Come on..fess up Mickey. Telling the truth is so easy if you do it all the time. You never have to back track, hire an attorney or blame others. Now,lcrkjLC what is "thou shall not lie".
Stolen Valor You Are
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July 30, 2010
IF poor record keeping by the Army is Lloyd's only defense, he has NO DEFENSE. Lloyd could not have earned a "Silver Star", and Two Bronze Stars" with V (valor) if he was on a ship during his Navy duty. Only 100 Silver Stars were given out of the hundreds of thousands of Vietnam soldiers. Those Silver Star awards were carefully documented every step in a line of approval, which takes at least no less than 50 top ranking officers to read evidence of the valor and approval of the Silver Star. Those letters each step of the way would be included in the "package of approval". It is inconcievable that he didn't keep the letters, if he had them. A Valor, once

earned is never forgotten, never put away, and never thought "something I want to forget about".

He is a product of "stolen valor" syndrom, of being a fraud and a cheat and should be fired.!
Atlanta Runner
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July 30, 2010
He comes up with this 40 year old photo, yet he cannot produce one single other shred of evidence to support his military hero claims? Give me a break! Why has he not shared the details of his military decorations, when, where, why, how, with whom, etc. ?
anonymous
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July 30, 2010
Its time anyway for law enforcement officers to stop running around like a bunch of little boys playing "army." You're police officers, not a bunch of paramilitary forces marching up and down the streets.
Genuine Navy Chief
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July 30, 2010
The photograph of Lloyd in this article, which Lloyd claims is an awards ceremony is definitely not that of an awards ceremony. Anyone with sea service experience can immediately identify what this photograph depicts. It is Lloyd's promotion to Boatswain's Mate 3rd Class. To wit, Lloyd is holding the chevrons and promotion certificate in his left hand. The three chevron 'crow' is later trimmed to one chevron. Note the white lanyard, as it extends into Lloyd's breast pocket where it is attached to Lloyd's newly presented boatswain's pipe. The commander, likely the ship's captain, is shaking Lloyd's hand, as is normally done in a promotion ceremony. In a military decoration awards ceremony, the captain would have been proudly holding his hand under the medal which he just pinned on the awardee's uniform. You should be ashamed of yourself Lloyd! Each time you try to further your lie, you insult those of us who served honorably in the sea services of our country. Please just go away. Your are a disgrace to the naval uniform you once wore.
arsenal45
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July 30, 2010
"Give Him A Break", you have obviously never served and have not been following this story. Go back to sleep.
Army Vet
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July 30, 2010
Has anyone taken the time to look at the history of the USS Robert Huntington? This ship was a WW II destroyer that during Lloyd's time on board was mostly assigned to patrol the Caribbean. The ship did do a 6 month deployment off the coast of Vietnam from September 1968 to April 1969. Lloyd would have us believe that in six months as a Boat maintenance guy on a WW II ship he received all those decorations. I did a little research and found an interesting article about the gunner on the Destroyer...Read the following web cite

http://articles.dailypress.com/2000-04-30/news/0004300053_1_ship-destroyer-rockets

By the way, are any of these government officials aware that there will be a reunion for all those that served on the USS Robert Huntington in Philadelphia this fall. Seems like a plane ticket can bring this matter to rest.
Give Him A Break
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July 30, 2010
It would be a shame if Mr. Lloyd should lose his job because of the Army's poor record keeping. This sort of thing has been common in war time and all the confusion. Judge the man by his work ethic and performance, not anything else.

Old Salt
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July 30, 2010
Time to hang it up Mickey, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say may , you know the rest.........
How Stupid?
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July 30, 2010
The first certified DD214 Lloyd gave to HR matched his service records (no surprise) and no one asked him for another certified copy as he stated on the video. The second DD214 with the questionable medals (with mispelled words) presumeably with the same signatures that he "wanted added to his file" was clearly provided to cover the recent questions being raised. If he had had that additional-medal DD214 for 20 years like he said on the video, it would be on file with his previous jobs - that would be easy enough to verify. Not to mention so many occassions the Seal and Purple Hearts metals were mentioned that he now also denies. Mr. Lloyd, when you're in a hole - stop digging and go away peacefully.
kenny g
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July 30, 2010
A Top Cop and he can't come up with any evidence.Something is definitely wrong with this picture.WK
Beretverde
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July 30, 2010
Altering a Federal Document (DD214), Forgery, Violation of the Stolen Valor Act, and Violation of Oath of Office. Mr. Hankerson must now (after he fires Lloyd) turn in the documents Lloyd gave him to the FBI for prosecution. These are serious offenses. "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"... even if you happen to be Cobb County's Public Safety Director. I hope Cobb County clears this mess up once and for all, and do the right and honorable thing... unlike Mickey Lloyd.
davehep
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July 30, 2010
What a web we weave. Caught the news on TV where an affadavit was shown signed Ronald D. King. Go to Stolen Valor and find that name. Is there a connection?
Army Special Forces
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July 30, 2010
"I am not a crook"- Richard Nixon; "I am not a fraud"- Mickey Lloyd. Yes they are... on both counts! Disgusting!
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