What next?: Backers defend TSPLOST list, but critics say law allowing 2nd vote needs to be repealed
by Jon Gillooly
August 02, 2012 12:40 AM | 3522 views | 15 15 comments | 6 6 recommendations | email to a friend | print
MARIETTA — With the crushing defeat of the proposed $8.5 billion transportation tax for the 10-county metro region on Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) said he hopes to repeal the legislation that created the TSPLOST in the first place.

The existing law allows for a second TSPLOST vote in two years, but as Atlanta Regional Commission Chairman Tad Leithead said in June, if it were up to him, he’d bring back the same projects.

“From an ARC perspective now, if we were asked in two years to develop a list, we would develop the same list,” Leithead said in June. “Now, politics might be different, a different list might be selected based on whatever the process was in the new law, but in ARC’s professional opinion, the projects that were selected are the projects that needed to be selected.”

But if Rogers has anything to do with it, the politics will be different.

“That process proved not to be very successful, so I think there’s a lot of reasons why we should repeal the current law and start over again,” Rogers said. “We cannot allow the process to veer off course into economic development projects, which is really what happened this time. We’ve got to stay focused solely on traffic mitigation.”

Gov. Nathan Deal said in a press release Wednesday that the defeat of the TSPLOST — which was created under his predecessor, Gov. Sonny Perdue — forced state officials to focus on the most pressing needs.

“For example, TSPLOST contained $600 million to rebuild the Ga. 400/I-285 interchange,” Deal said. “We will face significant challenges in that corridor if that doesn’t get fixed, particularly after the tolls come down and volume increases. We’ll have a ‘need to do’ Transportation Improvement Program list, but not a ‘want to do’ list.”

Deal went on to say that the rejection of TSPLOST “slams the door on further expansion of our rail network any time soon. Neither I nor the Legislature has much of an appetite for new investments until there are significant reforms in how MARTA operates.”

Rogers said he spent Wednesday discussing a new plan for traffic relief with such TSPLOST opponents as Sen. Vincent Fort (D-Atlanta).

“The single biggest problem the TSPLOST had was a laundry list of projects, many of which the regular voter clearly understood was not going to solve traffic,” Rogers said. “Whatever transportation list we come up with in any capacity I think needs to be focused on just a few major items that everybody in metro Atlanta understands needs to be corrected.”

Those items include Interstates 75, 575 and 285 and State Route 400, he said.

“When you begin adding all these small minor projects that appear to be political payback, you doom the entire list,” he said. “That’s what happened, and I think we cannot afford to make that mistake again.”

Rogers wants to explore how traffic relief can be accomplished without any type of tax increase.

“Is there a way to reallocate funds?” he said. “Is there something we can do in conjunction with the federal government to keep more of our money? Can we work on the Congressional Balancing Act? That’s one of the big problems that we have in Georgia is for the most part we balance our federal funding among all of the congressional districts equally when we know that the real traffic problems lie in the heart of Atlanta, so I want to start with answers that don’t require any increase in revenue.”

Everyone wants to solve the traffic problem, it’s just a matter of how, Rogers said.

“One of the first steps from my standpoint is repealing the current law so we can start over with a blank slate and get this right,” he said. “The current law, some of the penalties that it had for the districts that didn’t pass the TSPLOST, we don’t need that, we need to give flexibility to counties.”

For example, one of the problems Rogers deals with in his county is the Highway 20 corridor, a corridor that needs to be fixed from Cartersville to Canton to Cumming. Trouble is, Bartow, Cherokee and Forsyth counties are in three separate districts and could not work together, he said.

“So giving counties the flexibility to merge or to form a distinct region with a neighboring county is probably something we want to look at as well, and that’s going to require a new law,” he said. “But at least we have the experience of these last few months seeing what has happened, so we have a better judge of where we need to go.”

Deal said he intends to make Georgia the No. 1 place in the nation to do business and improving the transportation infrastructure is a major part of that effort.

“Yesterday’s vote wasn’t an end of the discussion; it’s a transition point,” Deal said. “We have much to do, and I’ll work with state and local officials to direct our limited resources to the most important projects.”

State Rep. Rich Golick (R-Smyrna) said in the wake of Tuesday’s vote it would have been easy to back away from the transportation issue.

“Instead, it is clear that the Governor recognizes our long-term transportation priorities and is committed to addressing them swiftly and directly,” Golick said.
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August 05, 2012
If they repeal the current law what becomes of the 3 regions who voted YES on their referendum projects?

Does it void the results of that election, does it undo what they did in voting yes?

Is this yet another attempt for the "smart folks" under the Gold Dome to dictate to the rest of the state how things will be run?
NtheNo
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August 04, 2012
I've commuted by rail into NYC - driving to the rail station, catching the train, changing trains in Hoboken, into the city, off the train, into grand central, up the escalators, onto the street, then FINALLY a brisk walk to the office - only to do it again to get home.

Do we really have to wonder why New Yorkers have an attitude? Do we really have to wonder why so many from the north come south? Billions of dollars for THIS? Please.
JR in Mableton
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August 02, 2012
Funny how Chip Rogers stated during the TSPLOST campaign that we can't trust government.....he is single-handedly proving his own point. Keep kicking the can down the road....maybe our problems will solve themselves.
Connie Tillman
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August 02, 2012
If ya'll don't know how to work together and figure out public or mass transportation, why not invite representatives from San Francisco, New York, Dallas, Washing DC to help you out. Their public and mass transportation systems have worked great for years. No need for you to go to China or Europe (which has been done in the past) when you have good systems right here in the US.
No thanks.not4me
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August 02, 2012
Connie....do you have any idea at all how much it costs to build and operate these old-tech systems? Do you know how much in additional taxation is required?

And even with these systems, DC, NYC, and numerous other cities world-wide still have monumental traffic problems.

There are better ways....if only the Ruling Class and the good ol' boys would pay attention.
Connie Tillman
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August 02, 2012
Chip Rogers is correct in that this law needs to be repealed. Everyone knows traffic is a bear and needs to be fixed. The largest areas of concern should be addressed reasonably (and the residents of Georgia know that these areas are "metro" areas) ie, I75, I285, I575 and Georgia 400 to name a few. Not necessarily street cars in Atlanta, Marta trains or the beltway of parks and green space around the perimeter. Come on elected officials, you know where the biggest problems are so work together to get a doable plan. Promising that thousands and thousands of jobs will be created by this bill, the average person knows this is a promise that would be very hard to keep.
Rock Steady
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August 02, 2012
The "Chipper" has it right. TSPLOST became TSPLAT simply because instead of concentrating on relieving traffic congestion it became a source of funding for the development community and an economic bailout for MARTA and the City of Atlanta.
TIC
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August 02, 2012
Do they really have to repeal the entire law and start over?

Can't they just tweak the current Law (amendments) to prevent the Roundtable from hijacking the process like they did this last go around?

Maybe an arrangement that allows all legitimate sides of the issues and projects to be represented rather than a group of go along/get along politicians and bureaucrats.

That way the various issues and projects can be reviewed debated and discussed.

I know, I know.

Easier said than done.

Surely there must be a way to establish a process that gives the voters some degree of confidence that the list was arrived at legitimately and without undue influence from special interests promoting their own self serving agenda.

Maybe some basic requirements that projects demonstrate a certain degree of connectivity, continuity, fiscal feasibilty, regional significance and cost/benefit parameters.

Cut out the discretionary 15% "pay off" to the various govermental entities.

Require that the counties and cities that receive funding have some skin in the game out of their budgets that complement and supplement and help implement the projects in their jurisdictions.

Only capital improvement projects directly related to addressing congestion be eligible. No expensive studies, no airport improvements , no sidewalks , no park improvements etc. etc.

Come on let's tighten this up and make it work next time!!

WestCobb30127
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August 02, 2012
The real reasons it failed:

1) Marketing was horrible. Every TV commercial focused on the buzz word “Atlanta” when in fact the projects were supposed to be regional and improve things throughout the metro area, not just Atlanta.

2) The various County leaders flip-flopped things at the last second (example, Cobb Chairman switching from light rail to a bus line, etc) and some projects were not detailed much at all. People wound up not trusting where the money would go.

3) Mayor Reed appeared on TV with his posse behind him, and made a comment to reporters about how the TSPLOT would “benefit minority contractors”. This brought back images of the Bill Campbell days, corruption, and awarding of contracts to companies based on things other than true qualifications and the best quoted price for jobs. Likewise, people were also convinced that some of Nathan Deal’s personal friends would allegedly get contracts out of this as well. In other words – they do not trust the politicians to be fair with the money.

4) Installing tolls on existing roads, and building new roads with flat-fee tolls on them would actually be a much simpler way to collect a large amount of money than a tax. A 50-cent flat fee toll on several of the highways that surround us would generate tons of revenue for new roads, maintenance, and funds for Xpress and MARTA, simply from the local traffic and pass-thru traffic on those roads. New toll roads similar to GA400 could be built and their tolls would maintain them. This time leaders need not make promises about toll time limits – the tolls should be permanent. This would also eliminate the need for votes (tolls can be in place without public voting) and it would eliminate the complains people have of paying a tax for things that would not benefit them – if they don’t want to pay the toll, they can simply avoid the toll roads.

Some people were mean-spirited about the whole topic, but at its core, it was handled poorly by State and local representatives and the marketing companies. That is why it failed, ultimately.

SG68
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August 02, 2012
Like I have said before, the leadership needs to change before we end up with a meaningful and effective project list.

Put the same people in charge and you will get the same basic project list. One that does little to address our regional transportation issues and fills the pockets of the special interests that currently control the people in charge of the process.

The comments by Lighthead tend to support that contention.
Veteran Observer
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August 02, 2012
I have voted for every Splost, but not this one. It was flawed in that you had too much influence and rewards for the downtown power brokers! Our Republican legislators need to lead by phasing out Marta and creating a new Atlanta Transit Authority with representation on it's board by population of each political entity involved! This group needs to work with the DOT to put together a comprehensive transit plan for the region with light rail and bus service with a realistic timetable for all areas of the region over the next twenty years! Do not forget that taxation without representation is what killed this vote! If the suburban counties are included in the plan and have a say, a reasonable plan will pass! We have spent a hundred million dollars over the last twenty years studying this, so no more studies, let's get this done! The city, which is one of the smaller entities by population, can do without a trolley line to connect the downtown hotels for a few years! By the way, I live on Peachtree and own companies in Marietta and Canton so I have a lot of skin in this game!
CobbGuy
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August 02, 2012
Glad it failed, it was a total waste of time for the citizens to even vote on this mess of worthless ideas... There is no trust in our leaders now, we give no more tax money to waste, just that simple. Show the people you can work within a budget and produce something, we might give more tax money in 5 years....

If you want rapid transit, move to a city that has it.. NY, London, Chicago, Moscow and Boston for example. It works fine. My wife's cousin worked in NYC for 29 years and lived 88 miles from her job, took a train in every day, no car....local subway stopped 400 feet from her building. THAT is a transit system, not MARTA that stops every 5 miles..... more one way streets, fewer median/curb cuts and fewer intersections will also help, trust me.

Thanks voters !!
Give me a break
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August 02, 2012
Chip Rogers created the TSPLOT process in the first place and was quoted many times saying how great it was. He is like a broken record: talking but not saying anything. While I supported TSPLOST, the people have spoken. Don't look for any state elected lawmaker to come up with a plan anytime soon; certainly not in two years like they claimed.
Common Sense
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August 02, 2012
One way to fix all this is the fair tax. Lower all taxes across the board so businesses will view Georgia as an even more business friendly state. Then as the revenue comes in, which will be much more than the current punitive tax system allows, you can take a percentage of that revenue and specifically devote it to transportation without accumulating debt for the state. You will see more reveunue than the state will know what to do with it. Businesses will thrive and communities will grow with stability because more jobs will be available thus staving off more foreclosures. It all goes hand in hand. This requires three things: 1) Visionary Leadership 2) Fiscal Responsibility and Budgeting 3) Patience
More Sense
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August 02, 2012
Business are not moving here for lower taxes, we already have low taxes. Business won't move here because they can't find educated employees with the skills needed. And if there is another SPLOST I would favor making Cobb Parkway a limited access highway. I think we all can support that.
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