Employee pay study for county shot down
by Geoff Folsom
Jun 27, 2012 | 3923 views | 25 25 comments | 17 17 recommendations | email to a friend | print
MARIETTA — In a setback for Cobb Chairman Tim Lee and County Manager David Hankerson, the Board of Commissioners on Tuesday shot down a $350,000 pay study, which Lee had been pushing for, and decided to create compensation and audit committees, overriding Hankerson’s advice.

No votes were taken during Tuesday afternoon’s work session. Lee said he and Hankerson would develop the agenda items that would create the two committees.

Lee said commissioners could vote on the unpaid committees, which were recommended by the county’s Citizen Oversight Committee, as soon as the July 10 meeting. Members could then be appointed to the committees at the July 24 meeting. The five-member committees are expected to include the chairman; one district commissioner who rotates on a yearly basis; one other county elected official, such as the sheriff or a judge; and two citizens considered experts in the committee’s field.

For the moment, commissioners will not authorize a $350,000 Class and Pay study, which would have compared Cobb’s pay and benefits to other counties. Instead, Lee said determining if such a study is needed will be among the compensation committee’s duties.

The study had been recommended by both Hankerson and the 10-member oversight committee, which met for a year to find inefficiencies in county government.

Hankerson recommended against creating the compensation committee, which he said is only used by one other public jurisdiction he could find, that being Miami-Dade County in Florida. They are typically only used by corporations wanting to review pay and bonuses for top-level executives, not for all employees, which is what the Citizen Oversight Committee recommended, he said.

Hankerson and audit division manager Latona Thomas also advised against creating an audit committee at a May 21 work session, saying the county already independently performs audits.

Thomas works under a separate charter from other county employees, which Lee said gives her independence in performing her duties.

The audit committee will determine its purpose after meeting with Citizen Oversight Committee leadership and the county’s internal auditors, Lee said.

Commissioners are expected to authorize the committees for two years, Lee said.

Ideally, each district commissioner would serve on each of the committees for one year during their four-year term, said southeast Cobb Commissioner Bob Ott, who has long spoken out in favor of creating the new panels.

“By having the elected official and the two commissioners on there, it gives the opportunity for stuff to come back to the board if it needs to be looked at,” Ott said of the audit committee. “It was a good recommendation by the oversight committee, so I’m happy to see that we’re going to move forward with that.”

Ott said the committee meetings would be open to the public.

Commissioners also decided to go ahead with oversight committee recommendations to fill several vacant positions. Hankerson was authorized to search for a new public safety director, budgeted at between $101,587 and $165,651, in fiscal year 2013; a purchasing director for between $72,217 and $117,416; a public service director for between $96,803 and $157,809; and deputy Emergency Management Agency director for between $56,596 and $90,563.

The Citizen Oversight Committee consisted of Chairman Brett McClung, an accountant; former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr; Vance Booker of Kennesaw; retired state court judge Beverly Collins; financial investigator Laurie Dyke; Dr. Robert Plunkett; Futren Corp. owner James Rhoden Jr.; bank president Ford Thigpen; Deloitte consultant Darhyl Watkins and David Welden of west Cobb.
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A Taxpayer
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June 29, 2012
"Hankerson was authorized to search for a new public safety director, budgeted at between $101,587 and $165,651, in fiscal year 2013; a purchasing director for between $72,217 and $117,416; a public service director for between $96,803 and $157,809; and deputy Emergency Management Agency director for between $56,596 and $90,563." Look at those salaries -- are you kidding me??? And we wonder why our property taxes are going up. The waste continues.
SG68
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June 28, 2012
Good decision.

The information is out there for free or close to it.

Just contact the Ga. Dept of Community Affairs.

Not only do they have up to date info on salary and benefits for county and city employees they will probably fund a grant of some kind to customize it to Cobb's particular situation.

Don't make things more difficult and expensive than they already are.

Tex G
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June 28, 2012
Thanks for attacking me.

It appears that there are many people in denial here. This state is a cesspool of corruption and lazy loafing "public servants" as someone called them earlier.

So called public servants are just leaches and folks who dont want to compete in the real world but want to be paid like presidents of companies.

Say what you will this country is going down fast because of affirmative action, rank incompetence, criminal govern, and fat lazy entitled "public servants/loafer communists.
anonymous
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June 28, 2012
@ Tex G.....Are you off of your meds again? Looks like Obama care will mandating that you take them from now on!
Just Wait
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June 28, 2012
You are so far out of touch in your cave of extremism that you haven't seen light in years. If you want to have a yard sell for your guns, ammo, and stockpile of food, I'll gladly pay for your plane ticket to whatever country you think is better, one way.
Tex G
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June 29, 2012
Yes you Commies won one yesterday.

So please go back to the Collective Farm and celebrate with the Obamas.

You guys are such patsies its not even funny.
Tex G
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June 27, 2012
No pay studies needed.

These people are vastly overpaid. They need immediate pay cuts and cuts in benefits. They produce no revenue and do nothing.

They should also cut headcount and make the staff they have work.
Jreaper2007
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June 27, 2012
You are aware that they were talking about a pay study for 'all' employees, NOT the commission? As it may be true that the upper echelon could stand a bit of belt tightening the rest of the county employees are grossly underpaid as compared to the rest of the metro area!!
ProJour
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June 27, 2012
Yeah, those lazy incompetents should work for no pay what so ever on a 24/7/365 schedule, wear sackcloth, and dumpster dive for dinner. That'll surely encourage them to do the best job possible for the public.
anonymous
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June 27, 2012
Tex G....you sir are an idiot!!
Call 911
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June 27, 2012
The time you call 911 you will see how much you need us when the wolves are at your little tax sheltered door. What a jackassed thing to say but you already know that.
Tex G
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June 29, 2012
There they go. All the kooks in Cobb county that are on the public dole attacking Tex.

Well phooey on you! Soon the budget wont allow for your largess so buckle up you government leaches!

MPCato
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June 27, 2012
One guess as to what group is going to wind up with the short end of the stick here. A mid-level county worker recently showed me a job advertisement for a Fulton county position. the starting pay was almost twice that of the same job in Cobb.

Maybe they should also create a committee of three county employees and two taxpayers to determine the pay for the elected officials.
know the facts
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June 27, 2012
Cobb County does not have unions. They do not recognize them or deal with any employee related member groups; this goes all the way back when Earnest Barrett was first elected in 1964 as Commission Chairman and said it would not happen. He did listen and treat all employees fairly, just and give raises and institute benefits as the county could afford them all thru his 20 plus years as chairman!!!!!
Maybe a inion
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June 27, 2012
Maybe we need a union. I'd rather pay 20 bucks a month rather than keep getting my pay cut with no end of financial beatings in sight. People speaking together with one voice doesn't sound so bad now.
anti union
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June 28, 2012
I'm anti union - but now I do understand (painfully so) how they get started. The management decides they need four new useless managers (of course it will be their wives and such that get those positions) at a gross cost of one million dollars (yes, the math is correct, there's the huge salaries and then add ss match, insurance payments, take home cars and with gas and maintenance, etc..) but the workers that actually provide the service get told they are lucky to have a job at all so quit crying about a cost of living increase.
Taxpayerz
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June 27, 2012
Will they look into the cost the county bears in collecting union dues from employee paychecks? Will the school district look into the same question?

These costs cannot be insubstantial, otherwise why would unions/associations request it?
Copperblue
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June 27, 2012
Are you aware that Cobb County employees, including Public Safety are not unionized correct? The School Board employees may be.
Elle Taylor
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June 27, 2012
ARC will do a pay study for a minimal cost! Quit wasting our money and then crying that you don't have any!

What if
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June 27, 2012
What if this shows, which it will, that Cobb is failing to remain a top notch employer? Does this mean that is the study shows employees need a raise or better benefeits they will get it? Um..I think not. It's more code for comparing us and putting us at Fulton County Standards. Employees have not had a raise in 4 years and the hits keep coming. Besides raising the retirement contribution of employees each year and the burden of double digit medical insurance increases, the county now wants to take even more pay away from employees. Anyone who says differently is living in fantasy land. Cobb has still failed to ask line employees where the waste is, they just do not want to hear it. Its so silly its depressing and demoralizing to the employees. We see the waster daily, try to do more work with less staff and resources and we just keep getting pulled down by the suck. The county just did a pay study in 2007 and did not follow that either, because it said employees were underpaid. I guess you just keep opening doors until you get the result you want. Wow.

Talk about a morale crusher. Cobb County...Expect the Best..while we pick your pocket and give you more work to do with less money!
I16
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June 27, 2012
Tim Lee and County Manager David Hankerson dumb

and dumber.

What group The Citizen Oversight Committee consisted of Chairman Brett McClung, an accountant; former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr; Vance Booker of Kennesaw; retired state court judge Beverly Collins; financial investigator Laurie Dyke; Dr. Robert Plunkett; Futren Corp. owner James Rhoden Jr.; bank president Ford Thigpen; Deloitte consultant Darhyl Watkins and David Welden of west Cobb.

Cave In
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June 27, 2012
Can you say election year "cave-in"?
anonymous
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June 27, 2012
Its time for Cobb County to follow Sandy Springs lead and privatize.
West Cobb Resident
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June 27, 2012
Good decision. There are less expensive ways to compare county pay and benefits than ANOTHER study.
tired of it
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June 27, 2012
If you have $350,000 to do a study why don't you just give the county employee's a raise that they have not had in 5 years? guess that is asking to much.
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