Time to junk school tax break for Cobb seniors?
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DEAR EDITOR:

Almost 30 years ago when we were transferred to Atlanta, we chose to buy a home and raise our children in Cobb County in large part because of the reputation of the school system. I’m sure many of you did the same. I also came to learn that the county had a reputation for fiscal responsibility, so that it enjoyed a triple-A bond rating for its debt obligations. I have always felt I was getting my tax money’s worth, especially in comparison to the high-tax state from which we had come.

Our kids are now gone and are prospering, in part, because of the elementary and high school educations they received.

My job is over, but the next generation of parents is now trying to educate their kids in a difficult economy and at a time when the only way to a rewarding career and any security is a good education.

It is with this in mind that I address a growing concern over the shortfall in tax revenue the Cobb school system has faced for the passed several years, necessitating budget cuts and the resulting teacher furloughs, layoffs and increased class sizes. This is no way to attract and retain talented people to the teaching profession and no way to ensure the course development to prepare students for future jobs. In addition, the problem will only grow as the number of senior citizens is ever increasing. Thus, after some careful thought, I am going to argue against my own financial self-interest and suggest a change in the school tax forgiveness arrangement now in place for those over 62 years of age.

I don’t think it would be necessary to altogether do away with this tax break for seniors, but I believe it could be modified to temporarily raise money to carry the County school system over these difficult years until more normal economic times bring in greater revenues.

Consider the following possibilities:

One would be to simply raise the qualifying age. A nearby county sets the school tax forgiveness qualifying age at 70.

Another way would be to gauge the senior school tax obligation on a percentage basis tied to the revenue shortfall in any given year; thus in years in which the tax revenues meet the needs of the school system, 100 percent of the tax could be forgiven, in lean years a lesser corresponding amount.

As it turns out, now may be an opportune time to consider this change which will affect the incomes of our seniors. The state income tax will be lower in future years because the personal exemption will go up and the ad valorem tax on vehicles is being eliminated.

Dan O’Sullivan

Marietta
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Kennesaw Voter
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May 30, 2012
Some of the TAX and SPEND MORE people on here are the worst example for our youth because their answer to budget short falls is to TAX MORE and STEAL FROM SENIORS...That's OUTRAGEOUS!! The responsible thing to do is start your budget process with "ZERO based budgeting" which means, every dollar of outlay must be justified. If you combed through the budget...line by line...ALL of us would be SHOCKED at the FAT, WASTE, and BLOAT that is common in most all government budgets.

I hoped when we elected some new board members that we would get someone who would apply fiscal restraint and tight management...but instead we seem to have gotten MORE OF THE SAME OLE JUNK.

BTW, Mr. O'Sullivan, by all means donate all the money you want to the Cobb County School System...but just remember, you don't speak for any one else in Cobb County...you only speak for yourself.
Kennesaw Voter
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May 30, 2012
You are a big time spend-a-holic...I am surprised that you and your kids are prosperous since your only answer is to rip people off and throw more TAX dollars at a BLOATED school system...PATHETIC!
NtheNo
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May 25, 2012
This would require voter approval and it ain't going to happen. Its DOA and the politicians know it. When are you folks going to understand it's not a taxing problem, its a SPENDING problem. If the senior exemption was eliminated the Homestead Exemption would be next.....C'mon man.
anonymous
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May 25, 2012
Sixty-two is no longer a reasonable retirement age for most people. These days it would be considered an early retirement. Let's tag the senior exemption to the social security retirement age. As people are living longer and working for more years, the age 62 exemption doesn't make sense. Those who can afford early retirement can certainly afford to contribute to school taxes. Public schools are not just about educating your own children, but about providing an educated population so that there are doctors when we need them, food inspectors, senior center administrators, insurance workers.....all of the people who provide services to us throughout our lives. We all have skin in this game, whether you have children or not. I am only a few years away from the senior exemption, yet I still argue for raising the age.
mac 12121212
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June 28, 2012
hey come on down to troup county, nobody pays property taxes inside lagrange city limits .. these good old boys better apply for work at walmart cause there gone come July !!!!!!
@ Danny Boy
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May 24, 2012
Unlike most of these comments I commend and thank you for your letter.

I personally do not think we need to abolish this tax exemption that is only offered in 3 counties of Georgia in this great USA. However, I think it needs to be REVISED! Hear me out, if you did not send at least one of your children for 13 years in a CC public school, then you WILL NOT qualify for this tax exemption. I am sure that 50% of the seniors that have flocked to one of the 3 counties will now just stay where they lived before. I will remind everyone, that one of the Georgia State Reps just bought a house CC as he nears toward his retirement, need I say why.

@ the parents that opted for private schools. Good for you(pun intended)! I wish we all had that luxury in this economy to have our children get a private school education and not have to worry about CCSB and its' wasteful money spending!
Almost 62
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May 23, 2012
As many bloggers have already expressed most of my sentiment, I would like to add and emphasize:

When faced with budget cuts, any gov't agency attempts to do what is the easiest. In this instance you are advocating to cut the exemption for 62 yr olds & that would appear to be a quick, easy cut. I firmly believe that many 62 & older Cobb citizens would agree to raise the exemption age, if cuts in mid level & upper level positions within the CCSD had been taken already. THEY HAVE NOT!!!

Instead there have been furlough days, teach cuts thus increasing class sizes and a new superintendent hired at a higher salary than the previous one. Yeah, these are easy also.

Finally, as pointed out in a previous comment, the ONLY way to obtain the exemption once you turn 62 in Cobb is to apply. It is not automatically applied to your propety tax bill.

So Mr. O'Sullivan if you have already APPLIED and received the tax exemption and the Cobb Tax Assessor's office will not let you remove it, then figure out what you are saving and donate that to the CCSD today.

As a life long Cobb resident, who attended CCSD schools all 12 yrs, whose Father attended CCSD schools all 12 yrs, whose children attended CCSD schools all 12 yrs, and I come from a family of teachers, until the CCSD Board and superintendent actually make the responsible cuts, then I will expect my exemption when I get there.
reagan rules
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May 23, 2012
As a resident of conservative Cobb County I would like to say "I want it all, I just don't want to pay for it"!
anonymous
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May 23, 2012
It's worked out far better for us than DeKalb/Fulton/Clayton Counties where they like to say:

"We don't get much (except debt), and we're used to paying a lot."
not bold
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May 23, 2012
I think it is contemptible to try to raise taxes on a group who (1) have already paid their share, (2) no longer have children of school age and (3) are usually on very fixed incomes, sometimes only social security and also have grave health problems Go going, Dan O'Sullivan.
Bold Move
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May 22, 2012
I applaud you for your bold statement Mr. O'Sullivan. It takes guts to stand up and be for something this unpopular with a large group of voters who VOTE.

That said, this is the same group of folks who I see at most Town Hall Meetings who are opposed to most everything that has to do with taxes, yet they pay 2/3 less than most everyone else in the county. That does not stop them from complaining though.

I doubt it will come to anything but you deserve credit for bringing it forward.

frogbreath
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May 23, 2012
Bold Move--What is it you do not understand about these older voters that you scorn them? You mock them for being at Town Meetings, (a very patriotic action), and "opposed to most everything that has to do with taxes".

We grew up in a different environment and learned to manage our homes and our money wisely. We understand frugality and have practical financial sense.

We do not abide frivolous or unnecessary actions or functions by government or school boards.

Most of us are not in debt as deeply as the younger folks. Our ability to manage our funds is better because there was less luxury to go after.

--and in our declining years, when the misfortune of our recession clamps down on you , you reach out and say, hey let's get what we need from the old folks.

Let's call it Occupy Seniors.

Retired Cobb Employe
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May 22, 2012
I am a senior citizen, and I don't mind paying school taxes, but what I do mind is paying taxes and the money is being wasted at the Central Office level. We always here the solution is cutting teachers and increasing class sizes. Why don't they at Central Office cut supervisors. Why not increase supervisor to secretary ratio. If 30 students have to share one teacher surely 2 Central Office administrators could share one secretary.
Phil in West Cobb
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May 22, 2012
My children attended parochial schools at our expense. But we still had to support the public schools by property taxes that we have paid for during their school years until we reached 62. We made this choice to ensure our children got an education without the government brainwashing of public schools. Believe me, my annual cost for this quality education years ago greatly exceeded the current savings on our annual tax bill.

By the way, there is nothing that stops you from not accepting the over 62 benefit. If you already signed up for it, I am sure that the tax assessor's office would be glad to let you cancel your tax relaxation.
anonymous
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May 23, 2012
I agree. I think that people who benefit from something should be the only people who pay for it. Therefore, I refuse to pay taxes for any road that I don't drive on.
CobbRes
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May 24, 2012
"Anonymous", spare us please. There is no choice when it comes to taxes that cover basic services like roads, police, fire, etc. There is a choice on the school tax exemption. If you're over 62 and you want to contribute, by all means do so. Contrary to what the liberal democrat believes, there are other ways to balance budgets than simply increasing taxes.
Bill Millette
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May 22, 2012
Dan,

I understand your concern to maintain Cobb County's quality of education. I also, from personal experience , believe we have a staff of teachers that are second to none. I have had the opportunity to see many of them in action.

The last thing we should do is reduce teaching staff. During the "boom" years, staff positions were created, as rewards, that, in my opinion, were not needed and are only there because of prior years' budgets.

Dan, even though you are a senior, I must tell you from living in other cities and other states that going after the senior exemption is a fairly common idea. And not a fair one.

I think Cobb County should be suing the federal government for the monies it takes, at $8,000 per student, to support undocumented students in Cobb Schools. It is estimated to be in excess of 14,000 students. At an average of $10,000 per student it adds up to $112,000,000.

I realize because of Plyler/Doe decision that we must school the additional children who are not here legally, but since it is by government (federal) decision, this alleged $54 million shortage is at their decision and Cobb should be recompensed..

I find it decidedly unfair to attempt to eliminate a senior exemption for the American elder citizens in Cobb when a major part of the problem was forced upon all citizens by the Supreme Court. Additionally, if the native country of those here illegally can be identified, that country should receive a bill for the cost of educating their citizens.

Finally, I am in an almost steady state of shock at the very amateurish efforts of the school board. I believe our country is in dire straits economically and installing year round artificial turf may be a long term financially sound decision, but not under our current financial circumstances.

Education is what it's about and America has proven that we can accomplish that in a log cabin without electricity, if necessary.
sabra edwards
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May 22, 2012
Obviously, Mr. Sullivan doesn't understand the average senior's budget. Most of us exist on small retirement incomes which never increase. However, taxes, cost of meds, cost of living increase every year. He is a heartless individual to suggest taking the senior tax exemption away.

The DOT could have saved tax payers millions by omitting installation of large medians with grass( no one cuts) , brick sidewalks ,and stone walls that literally block businesses from view. That money woul have been better spent on improving our existing roads.

Now for our school system budget cuts...while I support arts, in this economy it is foolish to spend tax payer money on Marietta High performing arts complex and on the Harrison Middle school addition. We need our teachers!
No kids
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May 22, 2012
First of all I have lived in Cobb for over 25 years and never had kids. I am almost 62 and looking forward to being school tax exempt. I think I have paid my fair share and should not have to pay any more after age 62. Now if you want to keep on paying go right ahead no one is stopping you. I do NOT need anyone speaking for me. Better yet why don' t you send them a check every month to help them out?
TIC
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May 22, 2012
Should the tax exemption for seniors be considered as a possible solution to the revenue shortfall in our county school system?

Probably, but only as a last resort.

As other posters in this forum have suggested there are numerous ways to reduce the school budget and address the shortfall before you start considering tax increases.

Demonstrate that these other solutions have been fully considered and implemented and then I am sure that many seniors will be willing to participate in an equitable way.

dustoff
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May 22, 2012
Why not quit giving the illegals a free education, free lunches, special classes so they can learn English before you dump on us seniors who paid our school tax while our kids were in school.
hooraydustoff
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May 22, 2012
To dustoff: BINGO! Just your simple, one sentence, is the answer to soooo many of our problems. Not just in Cobb County or in Georgia but in the United States of America. Stop the handouts to illegals. All of them. And let me know when the fence/wall is going to be built. I'll take a leave from my job to go and help!
otter357
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May 23, 2012
Because the consequences for not doing so would be horrible. Children that go to school learn english and integrate into American society. Bar them from schools and civic life and they will be isolated ad ignorant.

Imagine the gang and crime problem after that, and you might see why it is good policy to educated everyone, and far cheaper and more moral than the alternative you suggest.

Make no mistake, if your recommendations were magically implemented tomorrow, in ten years you'd have a HUGE gang and crime problem, like something out of a sci fi dystopia.

Those with the responsibility for governing understand this, and accept it as a real consequence that would really happen. You do not see this, but it is true all the same.
take a good look
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May 22, 2012
We need to take a look at a couple of things:

1) Middle management positions that can be eliminated. In any company crisis, these are the positions that we can live without. If the job title has the word "assistant" in it...

2) People who are getting tax exemptions need to be validated. If there are school-age children living in their house (or the address is being used to allow kids to attend Cobb schools) then school tax needs to be paid. Also, if a senior happens to own multiple properties the exemption should only apply to ONE property.

Only One
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May 23, 2012
The exemption only applies to the property which you declare as your HOME residence. It cannot be taken on multiple properties. You should know the governemnt would not let that slip by.
East Cobber
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May 22, 2012
As a senior who has taken advantaged of this tax break, it is the one of the reasons I still live in Cobb County.

But, let's remember that the tax break is not mandatory, you have to file for it. So all you out there that support this thinking, don't file for the exemption...
CobbCountyRedneck
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May 22, 2012
Excellent point East Cobber!!

As soon as I see some responsible fiscal management at the CCSB I will voluntarily give up my senior exemption.

As it stand right now I am glad I am not contributing my tax dollars to this fiasco.
David W.
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May 22, 2012
Dan, if you want to contribute more money in taxes go right ahead and do so. We have been the good little Cobb citizens and paid school taxes for years. We have no children yet we paid to educate other peoples children for over 30 years. Now that we are approaching our 62 years we want to be relieved of this tax burden. Illegals are in our school system and their parents pay zero in taxes were is your outrage on this issue? So go ahead drop by a school board meeting and drop some more money onto their bottomless hat. You should know when it comes to government temporary means nothing!
Steal from Seniors
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May 22, 2012
I will only go along with raising the age if I am credited for all the extra money I had paid the last 40 years to supplement those who did not pay the tax. The agreement was that everyone would pay to cover seniors knowing that when we became seniors we too would get a tax break too. Now you want to pull out on the agreement. Many people approaching retirement are on a fixed income and are planning on this tax reduction. To remove it would be bad faith and a betrayal of seniors. If you think the schools need money raise the mil rate, don't steal it from seniors.
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