Chairman Lee: Tax not only hope for toll lanes
by Geoff Folsom
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EAST COBB — Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee said Wednesday that there are still ways, other than the proposed 1 percent transportation sales tax, to get funding for managed toll lanes on Interstates 75 and 575 in the county, but he didn’t want to take any chances.

And that’s why he is trying to get the state Legislature to change its Transportation Investment Act project list to allow funds currently earmarked for either a light rail or bus rapid transit line to pay for the managed lanes.

Lee told a meeting of the East Cobb Civic Association that he met with Georgia Department of Transportation officials in early January, but they told him that all of the funding possibilities they studied came up at least $100 million short of what’s required for the managed lane project. So Lee decided to offer up the county’s entire transit package, which takes up nearly $700 million.

“My initial thing was, ‘Why don’t you take $100 million out of it?’” he said after the civic association meeting. “The state’s looking at all their revenue sources to see how they’re going to pay for it, but it will cripple some of the state’s efforts in other areas. I want to just make sure it gets done, so that’s why I said, ‘Let’s just do it and get it done with.’ ”

But as he seeks to get the managed lanes on the Transportation Investment Act project list, which the 10-county Atlanta region will vote on July 31, the GDOT is also looking for other ways to fund them, Lee said.

“The Department of Transportation, from Georgia, is currently working on different scenarios to get that goal accomplished,” he said. “And I hope they solve it, I really do. And I’m sure they will, I look forward to it. But it’s their project.”

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported Wednesday that House Speaker David Ralston (R-Blue Ridge) reiterated his statements that he was not inclined to reopen the list of projects that are seeking funding from the proposed 1-cent transportation sales tax. But Ralston said Cobb leaders do have a “valid point” because the state’s initials plans for a public-private partnership to build managed reversible toll lanes on I-75/575 was pulled after Cobb submitted its final project list, which was approved by a roundtable of area leaders, including Lee and Kennesaw Mayor Mark Mathews, in October. The project included $689 million for either a light rail or bus rapid transit line.

Lee announced Tuesday that he was asking the Legislature to reopen the TIA project list and replace Cobb’s transit earmark with money to build the managed lanes. He said he would never had submitted the list without the managed lanes had he known that the state wouldn’t go forward with the project.

Lee said Wednesday he hasn’t discussed his plan with Ralston or Gov. Nathan Deal since his announcement.

“I presented the concept yesterday,” he said. “It’s in the state’s court. So, if they want to move forward on any ideas, it’s up to them.”

Lee said it was important to get the idea out there “earlier rather than later” to allow legislators and GDOT to make decisions.

“So that we don’t get to the last minute and don’t have anything,” he said.

Initial plans called for two managed toll lanes to run near Interstate 75 from the Fulton County line to the I-75/575 split, with one reversible lane along each interstate north of the split, to roughly Cobb’s northern borders. Deal cancelled the project in December out of concerns about the state’s long-term obligations to private companies, though he left the door open for it to be publicly funded.

The chairman’s speech Wednesday was largely a repeat of the “State of the County” address he gave to the Cobb Chamber of Commerce’s Jan. 9 First Monday Breakfast. Like the original, the speech focused largely on the county’s 15.7 percent millage rate increase. Lee said the property tax hike was needed to avoid a downgrade of Cobb’s AAA bond status with three ratings agencies. Cobb needs a strong bond rating because taxes are collected at the end of the year, meaning the county must borrow money up front.

“The millage allowed us to catch up on all the sins that really had started before I got there,” said Lee, who served seven years on the Board of Commissioners before running for chairman in 2010. “When I became the guy in charge, it really came to a head.”

Lee expressed confidence in upcoming budgets.

“The 2012 budget is financially sound,” he said. “When we go into 2013, 2014, it’s going to be even better.”

The chairman also told the civic association that another announcement of new jobs in Cobb was coming, but the agreement hadn’t been finalized. He wouldn’t divulge any information after the meeting.

“I’m working on a project now that will bring a good number of jobs, but I can’t tell you,” he said.

Civic association President Jill Flamm said the county chairman typically comes and addresses her organization, a group of homeowners associations and individuals that seek to influence government decisions, largely in zoning and variance cases, in the months after he speaks to the Chamber.

“It gives an opportunity for our people who may not have a membership in the Chamber or can’t be out there during the day to hear the address,” she said.

Lee has at least three opponents gunning for his seat in the July 31 Republican Primary. Already announced are Bill Byrne, who served as chairman from 1992 to 2001, Larry Savage, a retired business executive who ran against Lee in 2010, and retired Marine Col. Mike Boyce.

Lee and the rest of the Board of Commissioners will have their annual all-day management retreat starting at 8 a.m. today at the Ben Robertson Community Center, 2753 Watts Drive in Kennesaw.

Demming Bass, chief operating officer for the Cobb Chamber, is scheduled to give a presentation on the chamber-backed Competitive EDGE study, a project that seeks public support to run economic development, at the retreat. So far, commissioners have been resistant to using county money to fund Chamber-led economic development.
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Preston Hairing
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January 27, 2012
Tim if you and Mark would get up about 4:00am and go to work you would not be in traffic! Also once you get there please do something!!! No eating!!!
Dave Z.
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January 27, 2012
As for the Cherokee portion, wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper to build an additional (traditional) northbound HOV lane and an additional (traditional) southbound HOV lane in the median? I understand why a P3 arraingment wanted a single seperated, reversible lane that it could easily toll, but with P3 out of the picture, the state should revise the I-575 portion. Study this option, quickly, to see if it's cheaper. It'd defintiely function better.
Last GA Democrat
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January 27, 2012
The only problems are that the state has publicly stated that they are NOT going to build any more untolled lanes in the Atlanta Region under intense political pressure from Intown Atlantans who think that any growth OTP comes at great expense to ITP, land spectulators, an increasingly powerful anti-road lobby who doesn't want to see another road built in Metro Atlanta before rail is implemented, no matter how long it takes, and an increasingly powerful environmental lobby which is surprisingly powerful for what is supposed to be such a politically conservative state.

The whole idea has become to add as little, if any, road capacity as possible so as to make people ride the rail transit that does not yet exist and may not ever exist.
Postmaster Marie
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January 26, 2012
Hide your wallet. Tim's thinking tax increase.
Samuel Adams
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January 26, 2012
Every time I open my paper, Tim Lee is explaining what some tax is for.

Remember the good old days when that didn't happen?

Vote him out. No other solution.
samb
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January 26, 2012
There's a lot of non-thinkin induviduals in Cobb county....

A politician feeds their heads with all kinda notions, they quickly lock up and do as they are told.

....NOW, about toll lanes.

Think for yourselves just once, please!

1. Toll Lanes are endemic to Yankee-Land.(that means "ther's a lot of em up north").

2. My brother-in-law from NJ actually rationalizes The NJ Turnpike saying,"It keeps our taxes low."......What!! Low taxes in NJ??

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There is no such thing as a toll booth that ever lowered taxes or improved traffic conditions.

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A toll booth is a ploy used by powerful men to gouge you even more......A TOLL BOOTH IS A TAX.

Please, come to your senses Cobb County before its too late.
TIC
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January 26, 2012
Did he make all of these comments with a straight face?

If so he is either completely delusional or a master liar!!

Did he say one thing that made any sense?
Pat H
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January 26, 2012
Mr. Lee, you are the sinner who helped create the sins fostered by Sam Olens, including Jack and Jill. They were not created before you got "there", you have been there as a commissioner voting for Hankerson's salary, buying used dump trucks, planting artificial turf, using streetlight funds. If you throw Sam Olens under the bus, you need to crawl there yourself.
mk - absolute power
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January 26, 2012
...under the BUS??... you mean under the TRAIN!!

Thanks for reminding us all,... things been bad in Cobb for a long, long time! Lee, Olens, Bacon, Stoner,... then the likes of Annette Kesting,... Bill Byrne,... must be something in the water out here!!
Tex Greenfield
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January 26, 2012
Dear Tim,

Where is all the money we pay for roads already?? You guys are criminals plain and simple.

Complete incompetents. You should be run out of town.
SG68
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January 26, 2012
As usual Tim Lee is a man without a plan. The guy is clueless.

The only reason he backed off the light rail was because informed voters and taxpayers in Cobb County recognized it as the boondoggle it was and let that be known in no uncertain terms.

Building a light rail line for the City of Atlanta and MARTA with Cobb County tax revenues was a very, very bad idea hatched by the Chamber and the Cumberland CID in collusion with Faye DiMassimo at Cobb DOT.

Lee and Mathews shirked their leadership responsibilties and used very bad judgement in going along with that ill conceived project.

They are just fortunate that the HOT lanes issue came up so that they had a convenient excuse to back away.

As far as other funding from the state for the HOT lanes project magically appearing, that's not going to happen.

If he has put the ball in the state's court as he stated, particularly the Georgia DOT's court, and is hoping for a solution he is dreaming.

Of all the state's agencies Georgia DOT has proven itself as the most dysfunctional and poorly organized. Unleess things have changed recently they don't even have a permanent Commissioner in place. In other words "no boss."

It is being run by an interim "commissioner" who is not going to make any controversial or meaningful decisions.

Just another example of Lee's political ignorance and incompetency!!

One other thing:



Blaming previous administrations at the county for their budget problems and the need for a tax increase to accomodate past "sins" sounds very familiar doesn't it?

Can you say Barack Obama?

In a primarily Republican county that kind of blame shifting is going to go over like a lead balloon!!

If I were Olens, Byrne or Smith I would be absolutely livid. Especially Olens who supported Lee for the Chairmanship when he left to run for Attorney General.

And hasn't Lee been on the Commission for a number of years now and involved in those past decisions?

Last GA Democrat
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January 26, 2012
"Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee said Wednesday that there are still ways, other than the proposed 1 percent transportation sales tax, to get funding for managed toll lanes on Interstates 75 and 575 in the county, but he didn’t want to take any chances."

NO, there really are not any other ways, other than the proposed one-percent T-SPLOST at this point, of funding the managed toll lanes because if there was the state would not be trying raid T-SPLOST funds, that don't yet exist and may not ever exist if reject by voters, in a desperate effort to get the lanes built.

If there were other ways of funding the I-75 HOT Lanes we would not be having this conversation/debate.

pragamist
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January 27, 2012
I don't know Mr. Lee or what lies he may tell, but I do know that there just is not enough gas tax money being collected to support infrastructure needs - period. And it's not because government is wasteful, or that the private sector is greedy. Building, maintaining and operating a world-class transportation system costs money. The American Society of Civil Engineers, The Reason Foundation, and many others cite multi-billion dollar deficients between funding and needs. When the economy grinds to a complete halt (you aint seen nothin yet) because roads are crumbling, bridges falling, grid-lock is so bad that it takes 3 - 5 times longer to get from point A to point B, then folks will be real unhappy that they didn't support paying for something they can't do without. Everyone who uses and benefits from the transportation network should pay proportional to their use and benefit. Tolls are far more progessive a way of funding improvements - those who use or benefit pay exactly how much they use or benefit. Rich people can afford to buy electric cars and pay no gas tax while the poor slob who's driving a 15 year old gas gussler pays the most. I happily pay a toll that I know goes to pay for what I use and doesn't support the bus driver union, or subsidize someone's hybrid vehicle (nothing wrong with them I just don't want to help pay for what I won't be able to benefit from), or pay for a train I'll never get on. It's sad to me that almost every single developed country in the world is out-pacing the US in their investments in transporation infrastructure.
Last GA Democrat
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January 27, 2012
pragamist:

Those are oh-so-true and great points that you make about the gas tax being too low and the U.S. being outpaced in infrastructure investment by other developed nations.

An a very valid example, Georgia's gas tax of 7.5 cents-per-gallon is one of the lowest in the nation being either the lowest or the second-lowest in the nation while our neighbors and competitors in North Carolina have a gas tax that is about 38 cents-per-gallon that is about to be increased so that the state can continue on its recent road and transportation infrastructure building binge.

And one of the worst things about it all is that despite the recent explosive population growth that has vaulted Georgia into being one of the ten most populated states in the union and the extreme traffic congestion that many days borders on total gridlock, there doesn't seem to be as much of a wide-ranging consensus to do very much about it in terms of building both new roads and rail.

Despite Cobb County growing by about 300,000 people and Metro Atlanta growing by over three million since the late 1980's, it has been more than 25 years since I-75 was last widened with commuter rail and road widenings still seemingly being a politically-taboo afterthought.
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