East Cobbers slam TSPLOST
by Jon Gillooly
jgillooly@mdjonline.com
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Chairman Tim Lee answers a question during the Regional TIA Listening Session at Walton High School, which was organized by Sen. Judson Hill, right, on Tuesday. <br> Photo by Jon-Michael Sullivan
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EAST COBB — The message state Sen. Judson Hill (R-east Cobb) said he took away from a Tuesday town hall forum on the proposed TSPLOST is that east Cobbers don’t believe the transportation projects that would be funded by the proposed 10-year tax would relieve traffic congestion.

About 100 people turned out for the town hall meeting at Walton High School, and while three or four of the about 25 audience members who sounded off on the proposal said they supported the TSPLOST, the majority of speakers did not.

“They don’t believe that this current TSPLOST project list is the solution that they’re looking for to bring the relief for their families in traffic congestion that they deal with on a daily basis,” Hill said after the forum.

State Rep. Sharon Cooper (R-east Cobb), who was also in attendance, came away with the same impression.

“In general, they’re against the TSPLOST because of what was included in it,” Cooper said after the meeting.

For one, Cooper said constituents believe there is too much focus on rail and not enough going to help with traffic congestion. For another, families are struggling in this recession, she said.

“Businesses are closing, families are struggling, and I think another reason they’re against it is because in this county they were told that if they voted for the last SPLOST there wouldn’t be a millage raise, and then there’s a millage raise,” Cooper said. “There is some feeling that they didn’t cut enough in the … Cobb County government, and so I think it’s a variety of those issues that are making people very, very upset.”

Among the critics was Bill Green of east Cobb.

“California did this light-rail project and found it to be an economic disaster, and the bottom line there is it’s a subsidy,” Green said. “We elect Republicans for the most part, especially in this area. So the question is, is this sounding like a tax collection for the welfare-state sort of deal? I haven’t heard a lot of fiscal conservatives being very happy with this particular situation with the TSPLOST, so we’re really concerned about that. I will do everything I can to kill this unless I hear some benefits to east Cobb, so are there any? I don’t see any. You went through the list of projects. Most of them are on the other side of town. This is an economic boondoggle as far as I can tell.”

Cobb is expected to receive $1.18 billion in funding for projects if the TSPLOST passes. The largest line item is an $856.5 million earmark for Midtown-to-Cumberland light rail. If approved as planned, that light rail could break ground in six years and be ready to ride in 10 years, said Faye DiMassimo, the county’s transportation director.

State Rep. Ed Setzler (R-Acworth) provided a chart showing that with a “healthy” ridership of 22,000 riders per day, the rail line would need a 70 percent local subsidy. And if the ticket price were $2.50 per passenger, which is the current rate MARTA charges, that subsidy would amount to $7 per passenger, or $154,000 per day.

Douglass Talley said he doubted 200 people would use the rail line in Cobb, let alone 22,000.

“I can’t see any benefit to that rail system that’s worth $7 a person to this county,” Talley said.

Sylvia Talley of east Cobb asked if the operator would be MARTA, to which Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee said that has not been decided yet. State Sen. Doug Stoner (D-Smyrna) added that the discussion in the state legislature is to come up with a new regional overarching transit authority, not MARTA.

Simpson Middle School student Luke Bentley, 13, was in attendance with his Boy Scout Troop, 1776. The Scout asked about the rail line as well.

“With all the stuff that’s going on with crime right now, like you turn on the news and you see all these new murders and jury cases, would this bring new crime into the county?” Bentley asked.

DiMassimo said studies show no correlation between transit and an increase in crime.

Ron Sifen of Vinings said the county’s “alternative analysis” rail study underway has an objective not to alleviate traffic, but rather to redevelop Cobb Parkway. Sifen said his interest was to alleviate traffic.

“If we had a TSPLOST with projects that were going to do that, I would support the TSPLOST. This project will not do that,” Sifen said. “We’ve got allegedly a billion dollars of projects for Cobb County, $800 million of which is going to be built in Fulton County. The stations, except for one, are going to be in Fulton County, and the riders are going to be in Fulton County, so we need a project that is going to meet the needs of suburban commuters in Cobb County. This project will not do it.”

Fred Buford described himself as an unemployed Cobb County property taxpayer.

“I want to know, in these economic times, why are we here discussing an increase in taxes by $1 billion instead of talking about cutting $1 billion for property taxpayers here in Cobb County?” Buford said.

Buford said it was unacceptable to spend most of the county’s share of the TSPLOST funds on the rail line, leaving a small portion for the rest of the county.

“That just doesn’t pass the smell test,” he said.

Helen Story pointed out that even if the majority of Cobb voters oppose the tax, if the majority of voters in the 10-county metro Atlanta area approve it, Cobb will be taxed all the same. Story said that’s taxation without representation.

“It’s not fair to the taxpayer,” Story said. “We have too many people out of work.”

Mike Holzknecht of east Cobb was one of the few speakers to support the TSPLOST proposal.

“Once upon a time, Atlanta led the South in transportation,” Holzknecht said. “They provided leadership, initiative, and we were very progressive. Before that we were a third-world area. We didn’t have much going for us. With the leadership that was provided once upon a time development followed, good jobs followed,” he said.

Lately though, cities such as Charlotte, Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington and Nashville are taking away jobs from Atlanta, he said.

“While we’ve been standing still, they’ve been taking our jobs away from us,” Holzknecht said. “We’ve gotten a few, but mostly we just criticize and criticize. Here’s for Charlotte, North Carolina and all the jobs they’re going to get.”

But Hill and Cooper said after the meeting they intend to lobby the members of the 21-member Atlanta Regional Roundtable to revise the project list before the Oct. 15 deadline.

“I believe we need to strike that rail line and do something that alleviates traffic in east Cobb and Sandy Springs, and I don’t believe the present project list will meet the needs of our community as much as projects that go much further in addressing our traffic congestion and issues,” Hill said.

State Rep. Matt Dollar (R-east Cobb) who was also at the meeting, also spoke of the concern surrounding the project list.

“I don’t think that many of the Cobb legislators would have voted for it if they knew that 85 percent of the list would have been composed of transit,” Dollar said.

Cooper called on officials who support TSPLOST to listen to the voters.

“It seems that some officials that are in support of the TSPLOST act as though they’re offended or how dare someone question their decision in what was put in the TSPLOST, and I believe citizens have the right to question, and to express their concerns to their elected officials without those officials acting like their constituents are out of line,” Cooper said. “I think a lot of us will be talking to members of the roundtable in thinking there should be a revision of the list if they want it to pass.”

Among those in the audience were Commissioners Bob Ott and JoAnn Birrell; lobbyist Michael Paris and Slade Gulledge from the Cobb Chamber; Marietta City Councilman Van Pearlberg; Cobb school board members Scott Sweeney and David Banks; Larry Savage; PTA leader Karen Hallacy; Dr. Bill Hudson of the Georgia Tea Party and Michael Opitz of the Madison Forum; and SunTrust accountant John Carson and Don Hill, who are running for the seat vacated by the late state Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-east Cobb).

State Sen. Doug Stoner (D-Smyrna) and state Reps. David Wilkerson (D-Austell) and Stacey Evans (D-Smyrna) are hosting a town hall on the TSPLOST this Thursday with DiMassimo.

The meeting will be 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. on Thursday in the Taylor-Brawner House, 3180 Atlanta Road, in Smyrna.

Also Thursday, state Sen. Lindsey Tippins (R-west Cobb) and state Rep. Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs) will host a town hall on the TSPLOST at 7:30 p.m. Thursday at Harrison High School, 4500 Due West Road in Kennesaw.
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GSUfortransit
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February 06, 2012
This is the kind of ignorant and selfish attitudes that is going to take jobs away from Atlanta to other cities. The TSPLOST is not about what's good for East Cobb but what's good for the REGION. If you want to participate, don't live so far away from where development happens. Cobb County is going to really benefit from this ligh rail line even if its mostly in the city of Atlanta. I don't see how alleviating roads is going to help ease traffic but if more people ride transit, it will make a big difference. Vote yes and stop your whining.
JED123
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September 14, 2011
"Can someone please explain to me how Cobb County is in the situation where it could vote against the TSPLOST but if the majority of the other 10 counties vote for it, then it passes in Cobb too?"

Well, let's see. Seems to me like Cobb county and the entire state of Georgia voted for someone other than the current president in '08. Does that mean that Obama is not our president?! No, it means that sometimes certain constituencies -- even the good citizens in East Cobb -- lose elections from time to time.

It is time that everyone realizes that there MUST be a REGIONAL solution to transportation. Cobb citizens cannot continue to believe that we can solve our own problems when it comes to traffic congestion or we will be left in the dust.
mk - greed & greed
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September 08, 2011
I can't figure the point of a connector between Terrell Mill & Windy Hill. There is rarely traffic on Terrell Mill. The folks backed up @ Powers Ferry are either coming from Lower Roswell Rd. (east cobb territory), or from west Windy Hill, Smyrna & beyond, trying to get to either Sandy Springs, Dunwoody or Buckhead or beyond.

There is virtually no traffic looking to get from Terrell Mill TO Windy Hill. Even if you cut through to get from point A to point B using this 26 million dollar 'plan',.. somewhere along that trip, since you had to originate from somewhere (as in home or work),.. this connector will in NO WAY help people avoid the surrounding backed up areas, such as Powers Ferry/Windy Hill, Powers Ferry/Lower Roswell/Delk/Terrell Mill, Cobb Parkway @ ANY intersection, or any of the other OBVIOUS backed up roadways throughout our communities! We don't need wider roads, more connectors or a rail to Colony Square. We need efficient roads, sychronized lights, lights w/ car/pedestrian censors, keep moving lanes, a supported bus transit system, bike lanes to encourage less cars & police doing traffic patrol @ key intersections during rush hour!!

There is a REASON North Fulton & Gwinnett are attracting new business & Cobbs not!

Cobb is not being SMART!!
SG68
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September 08, 2011
to homeownernextdoor

In 10 years DiMassimo will be retired and collecting her exorbitant benefits from the Cobb County taxpayers!!

What does she care about the feasiblity of the proposed rail line?

Here's what I say about the Arts Center to Cumberland project:

"A project that will live in infamy!!"

Boot Tim Lee
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September 08, 2011
I'd support Bill Byrne or Steve Tumlin. Either one would be a better choice than Tim Lee.

VOTE NO to the TSPLOST!
URKiddingRight?
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September 08, 2011
@ anonymous who is soooooo weary

You know what makes me weary?

People like you who don't think through spending a BILLION dollars before giving a blank check to a bunch of special interest, self serving developers and politicians.

Is a rail connection to Hartsfield a good thing? Yes.

Is connecting people with their job destinations a good thing? Yes.

Then let's do it the right way!!

Connect from Cumberland to Perimeter.

That way you connect to MARTA and subsequently to Hartsfield.

But guess what?

You also connect to Perimeter, Buckhead, Midtown, Downtown and other desireable destinations in the Metro area.

You don't run the line through the crime ridden neighborhoods of NW Atlanta and;

It costs less money because it is a shorter distance.

So much so that we can build $400M worth of light rail up I-75. A major step in getting to Kennesaw in the forseeable future.

Let Atlanta take their $600M in transit funding from their TSPLOST allocation for the Beltline and their $230M for a one mile heavy rail connection from the Garnett Street MARTA station to Turner Field, neither of which is a project of regional significance and spend it on the connection to Cumberland if that is such a worthy regional project.

Think anonymous think!!!

homeownernextdoor
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September 08, 2011
Dimassio says it will be ready to ride in 10 years.

Why on earth should we think light rail will be needed or a good idea in 10 years?

In 2001 did anyone know or think that in 2011 we would be 3 years into a recession that some say is bordering on double dip, and others say has dipped twice?

To the officials who smuggly think they know best, you are all speculating AT BEST.

I want to know why other NON COBB voters would want to see so much of the region's money spent for something that does not benefit the 'region' outside their county. Maybe the TEA party can get the word out to the surrounding counties how disproportionate the amount going into Cobb will be. Then we can get this off the list.

The 'region'already has a south bound line from Dunwoody and Cobbers have expressed interest in using it if we could connect to it.

BillinGeorgia
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September 08, 2011
TSPLOST is Socialism and big government. TSPLOST is a slush fund for unelected bureaucrats to reward favorite constituencies and fill the campaign coffers of crooked politicians at all levels of government.
anonymous
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September 07, 2011
I am getting weary of the constant mantra rail doesn't benefit Cobb because only one mile is in the county. Does Hartsfield benefit Cobb? After all, none of it is in Cobb. I'd say the vast majority of the benefit will be for Cobb. The Cumberland CCT station has numerous buses leaving for Atlanta every day carrying hundreds of Cobb citizens to their jobs, earning a living, in Atlanta. Rail is going to make that thousands. And when, not if, it is extended to Kennesaw and Acworth, it is going to pick up the riders that use those express buses and many more. Those who are so vocally opposed are opposed on emotional reasons and not facts. Those that are truly exploring the issue and seeking facts will surely see the potential benefits.
mk - not accurate
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September 07, 2011
If you ever tried to get through the Windy Hill-Powers Ferry Intersection or tried to drive north on Powers Ferry during rush hour, you would know that a reliever road to take additional traffic off of Powers Ferry would be a great benefit to commuters and the people that live in the congested nightmare who can't even get out of their road. I agree with everyone's anger about the rail debacle, but don't add real congestion relief projects (like this one) into the same pile of junk just because you are mad at the world.
Zbz
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September 07, 2011
Tax and Spend Tulip Tim.

Mule Procurer and his buddies will spend the money.

Run Thunder Run

anonymous
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September 07, 2011
There is no correlation between the rail and crime because the areas with the rail were already steeped in crime. Just bus it in like the Six Flags Drive area. It is time to move from Cobb.
The Gloves Are Off
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September 07, 2011
Oh I forgot!!

TV 23 is a propoganda tool for the Cobb County Government.

They would never be allowed to show anything that reflects badly on the elected officials that control its' content.
The Gloves Are Off
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September 07, 2011
I attended the meeting yesterday.

It was sickening to see the the diehard supporters of this TSPLOST debacle roll their eyes and smirk as Cobb County voters expressed their opinions.

Their arrogance and "I know better than you" attitudes were on public display!

I wish TV 23 would broadcast these events. It would give us all some insight into the condescending, elitist posture that some of our local elected officials, governmental bureaucrats and self proclaimed business leaders adopt once they are in a position of power and influence.

Thank goodness some of our elected representatives have managed to avoid this disingenuous, self serving, pompous approach to governance.

Choppy Seas
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September 07, 2011
Let's get Jim and Lindsey and the usual crowd that will benefit from local construction projects and give them all a sack of tax money. They don't have to build anything and we don't have to support something as foolish as a Marta train from Cumberland to the Arts Center (make that from the Arts Center to Cumberland because that is what it really is). Subsidizing the chosen few contractors will be far, far less expensive than creating work for them on projects that do not serve the best interests of the citizens of this county.
Choppy Seas
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September 07, 2011
"Can someone please explain to me how Cobb County is in the situation where it could vote against the TSPLOST but if the majority of the other 10 counties vote for it, then it passes in Cobb too?"

Allow Ol' Choppy to try . . . Tim Lee said yesterday it is the fault of the Cobb legislators. He says he was a lone voice against this. I think he has found his calling as a lone voice. I am quite content to have him no longer represent me.

He also said he chose the best project already on the table. If it's not the right project for the county, then choose no project. Mr Lee does not understand that money does not have to be spent. Perhaps he will grasp this when he loses the next election.
wake up
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September 07, 2011
matthews is running for re-election in kennesaw OMG TSPLOST and campaign manager for Bill Borden KENNESAW WAKE UP !! WE HAVE A NUT ON OUR HANDS
Bob Bummer
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September 07, 2011
The TSPLOST is all about getting some of our tax money back from the federal government and using it to create jobs building a useless rail line and then pretending it will solve the traffic congestion. All while local construction companies make millions above labor costs at the expense of increasing the countries debt.
dmkochatl@yahoo.com
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September 07, 2011
I was born & raised in DeKalb Cty in the 60's--remember when Marta via local policitians was going to be the "Answer" to metro traffic problems in the 70 & 80's...

Now Marta with Cobb light rail line is going to Help solve Cobb County traffic problems in 2022. When Pigs Fly...
dmkochatl@yahoo.com
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September 07, 2011
Mr. Lee has supported (3) ideas in the last six months--Splost--Millage Increase On Property Taxes & now TSplost.

Every time Tim comes up with an idea it cost Cobb County Taxpayers more money in a recession...
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