Board expands grades to take national exam
by Jon Gillooly
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MARIETTA - The Marietta Board of Education unanimously opted to expand the grades that receive the nationally normed Iowa test on Tuesday.

Last fall, Marietta tested students on the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills in grades two, four and seven. But board members said they didn't believe that was sufficient.

"What good is it getting nationally normed results just in three grades?" asked board member Jill Mutimer, who, along with other members such as Randy Weiner, convinced the board to fund the Iowa test for grades one through eight for an annual cost of $88,000.

"Parents need to see how their child performs on a national level and the ITBS is a nationally normed test that will provide that information," Weiner said.

Mutimer said Marietta used to administer the Iowa test in more grades, but pared back to save money. Dr. Donna Ryan, assistant superintendent for special services and assessment, said the state ended its funding of the ITBS in the 2009-10 school year due to funding.

Marietta students in grades three to eight are already tested on the state Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests. But that doesn't tell parents how their students compete against students in other states, board members say.

"I ... would like to know how my children are doing on a nationally normed test in addition to the state test," Mutimer said.

Former Gov. Roy Barnes has been a longtime proponent of national tests. He has pointed out that while students' scores on the state CRCT are high, when the National Assessment of Educational Progress samples those same students, they score quite low. That's because the state sets the bar so low on its tests for political reasons, Barnes has said.

Marietta board members believe the Iowa test will also help students get a leg up on the common standards Georgia and most other states are rolling out over the next few years.

"I think we can kind of get ahead of the curve in measuring on how we're doing on a nationally normed test as the common core is coming out," Mutimer said.

In other business, the board unanimously voted to move Marietta Center for Advanced Academics Principal Karen Smits to West Side Elementary School, keeping her salary the same at $109,037. Smits replaces Jennifer Lawson, who resigned to take a job elsewhere.

"She wanted a new challenge. She's an excellent principal, and I think will do a fantastic job there, and we will seek a wonderfully qualified candidate to continue the great path that MCAA has been on with all of its state awards," Board Chairwoman Irene Berens said of Smits.

The board renewed, 6-1, Marietta High School Assistant Principal Ron Brookins' contract, keeping his salary the same at $107,632. Stuart Fleming voted against the renewal, but declined to explain why.
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Harvey B.
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May 14, 2011
What a bunch of bull- MCAA has admission requirements which no other school has. All kids enter MCAA due to a LOvE of math and science. Sure most kids who fall in that category have social issues and many parents realize this so they send them to a "different" environment where most kids have the same social deficiencies. Sure the teachers are great at MCAA, but no more than HH, SR, LK among others. For someone to say non MCAA staff should visit to see why that school is recognized does not have a clue about what's happening at other schools.

Magnet schools are built ONLY with poor performing students weeded out. Many high performing kids choose to stay in their neighboorhood school with all their friends.
responsetoitbsbonus
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May 13, 2011
Your comments are very well written. In fact, so well written one would think you represent the school board. I do agree with several of your points but as many things w/in the MCS system ...the theory is sound but the application falls short. In my opinion the school board needs to be reminded of the best interest of our children. The board makes changes based on "theory" and has nothing in place to measure application. Our childen are too important to use as guinea pigs to test our theories. They are so much more than test scores.

Also, while I agree with you regarding MCAA and Dr. Smits. I would like to point out that if the system had interest in using Dr. Smits' talents and MCAA's success to benefit our other schools.. where have they been?? While school systems across the country visit MCAA weekly, no one from our own schools have been encouraged to visit MCAA. If MCS were truly interested in "spreading the success", one would assume that they would require all 2nd grade and up teachers to visit MCAA. The majority of them are not familiar with the requirements nor the STEM curriculum. Sadly the obvious reason is that our schools put too much emphasis on test scores and therefore do not want to lose high scoring students to MCAA regardless of whether it is a better fit for the student or not.

Since we are a system of choice, we should be more aware of the choices in the best interest of our students...not their test scores.
Oh My!
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May 12, 2011
Thank You Mr. Fleming! You are the only board member who truly recognizes the fact that Ron Brookins is a totally negative force at MHS! You are a truly insightful community advocate.
ITBS Bonus
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May 12, 2011
It will be good to offer children in all grades the ITBS tests going forward. Who knows how long the CRCT will be around and hopefully it will be gone sooner rather than later. Thank you for suggesting we offer the children a nationally normed test. Maybe with the results if there are areas that need to be covered to keep up with national standards, we can incorporate them into our curriculum so that students won't be behind in comparison with the national scene. Without the ITBS test, there are no indicators only guesses. We need to do what is best for the kids to bury our heads in the sand.

Dr. Smits is an asset to the school system as are many of our principals. She will be missed at MCAA but if she can expand some of the successes at MCAA to our other district schools starting with West Side, that is good for the entire system. Who knows where she will go next?

Please as adults remember to debate the issues and not discuss people's children. People on the school board donate much of there time including time that could be spent with their family and we voted them in to represent us and make the best decisions possible. Of course they have to consider their own kids experience, we want them to be in touch with the reality of school life. Let's stick to the issues.
Greer Tuot
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May 12, 2011
Amazed at all the ignorant posts. Parents care about how their individual child ranks on the ITBS. Parents also want their child familiar with a nationally normed test BEFORE the ACT or SAT. These Blogs seem to be written by teachers who don't want to fool with it!

ITBS and Stupid Move
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May 12, 2011
The number of public school students taking the ITBS has dropped dramatically because of the No Child Left Behind Act. Almost all states administer a test of their own now.

Subsequently, the majority of student scores in the ITBS data pool are private and parochial school students. What purpose does it serve to compare our 50% minority, Title I designated district(economically disadvantaged)to a national pool of students that are statistically majority white middle and upper class children that enjoy a higher level of parental involvement?

Save money. Let me prognosticate:

MCAA and Westside will perform at or above average across all subject areas because those students most closely match the national pool. The majority of Marietta's other elementary schools will score dismally below the national average across virtually all subject areas. MMS may have 1 or 2 subject area scores squeak above average.

GA administers its own test. The CRCT. NCLB deals with CRCT scores. Teacher evaluations deal with CRCT scores. Student advancement and placement is determined by CRCT scores. Most importantly, FUNDING and school/system status hinge on CRCT scores.

This means that nothing will be done educationally or administratively based on ITBS scores.

It is a giant waste money and time.

Also, I feel that given Dr. Smits adeptness and track record, her skills would be best put to use at one of our struggling schools since you're going to tip the apple cart and move her. Moving her to Westside is a poor poor use of a valuable asset and a blatantly obvious political move.

That's Too Bad
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May 11, 2011
OH, MCS.... I am disappointed in you. Children do NOT need to be TESTED twice a year. That is a waste of money and instructional time. Take back your decision...it's not too late - unless you've placed the order to the ITBS people...
mcsspinanyone
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May 11, 2011
It is ironic that NO ONE had spoken to Dr. Smits regarding her "wanting a new challenge. It is concerning that Ms. Berens feels it necessary to lie to the public in order to put her own "spin" on the move. Dr. Smits was as surprised as everyone else regarding this move. It is a fact that she was not given advance consideration or a choice. I would be interested if anyone can truthfully report that same "quote" from Dr. Smitts. What is Ms. Beren's "spin" regarding the security of MCAA. It is one of the most recognized and awarded schools in the state of Georgia. Currently they have no principal. Their AP was moved to the Central Office in January. They are left w/ a temporary. part -time AP. As a parent, I find it irresponsible and unacceptable that the Board puts the agenda and interest of a couple of it's memebers above all. Isn't this a life lesson we try to teach our children to avoid? Irresponsible changes to serve a few regardless of the effect on so many. According to Dr. Lemback a "national" search is underway for a replacement. Sadly, that is the best she could offer the MCAA staff. It doesn't say much for the remaining principals in the system. MCAA continues to thrive without the funding of our other schools nor the recognition or respect of this board.

The truth is that the Westside community is self-serving and the board is willing to sacrifice the most successful school in the system to accomodate a small group. I invite any and all parents in the MCS to look very ,very closely at the corupt abuse of power the operates within. Allowing these unfair and unjust practices to continue will only put our system in the same category of others in our area.
anonymous
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May 11, 2011
The Iowa Test of Basic Skills (ITBS) is not just a test for the students from the state of Iowa. ITBS is a nationally standardized achievement test for K-12 students. What that means is that you can compare your child’s scores to children across the country in Reading, Language Arts, Mathematics, Social Studies, and Science. The ITBS is published by Riverside Publishing, a Houghton Mifflin Company. It does not curve of dumb down the scores. The CRCT on the other hand, throws out questions that too many students do not gt correct. After throwing those out, the passing score is 800 which is only 49% of what questions were left. Is that rigorous? If you are celebrating that your child received anywhere from an 800-830, that means they only knew between 49%-60% of the test. It is a fact that the ITBS is a better indicator of how your child ranks. Maybe those of you whom do not want the ITBS are in dinial of how horrible your children are doing academically!
Testing, again!?
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May 11, 2011
Good grief Charlie Brown! Implementing a test, that doesn't align with the Georgia Performance Standards, just to see how we stack up against the rest of the country, yet we know the kids aren't taught the same curriculum across the board? Puhhhhhhhleeeeeeze! ITBS WAS a decent standard to go by when the curriculum matched up, but not now you fools! What is funny here is that (as has been said before) Mutimer and Weiner only seem to care when it affects THEIR kids. I just cannot wait until they get to MHS. Wonder if they'll make it into the IB program?

Waste of money... besides, be careful what you wish for, MCS won't fare well at all on the ITBS.

As far as renewing Brookins' contract, what a coincidence. Ms. Smits? She was happy as a clam at MCAA and probably resents being moved back to Randy and Jill land on Polk Street. I don't believe she was "looking for a challenge" for a second.

Last but not least, kudos to you Stuart, way to hang in there. At least there's ONE board member who gets it. Too bad you're the Lone Ranger.
Prediction
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May 11, 2011
Ms. Mutimer, lemme help you...your children are above average. Can we have our 88k back?
Bobby Thanepohn
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May 11, 2011
What good is it getting nationally normed results in every grade?

Ultimately, unless the district utilizes remediation strategies that are implemented based on the ITBS (norm-referenced) scores rather than the GPS-based CRCT (criterion-referenced) scores, this test is a waste of instruction time and district resources.

Unless the district is prepared to make important decisions regarding student placement and advancement based on ITBS scores, rather than CRCT scores, this test is a waste of instruction time and district resources.

Unless the district is going to effectively use ITBS test results in a collaborative way and look for longitudinal patterns in student achievement which can then be used to focus professional development strategies...this test is a waste of teaching time and district resources.

Unless the district is going to effectively use ITBS test results to determine instructional areas that need additional resources rather than use CRCT scores...this test is a waste of teaching time and district resources.

What will we gain from utilizing the ITBS across all grade levels? Here's the answer:

The ITBS will tell us that Marietta City Schools and each K-8 student (rather than just the 2nd, 4th, and 7th graders) will be one of two things: Above average or below out of a 13 state sampling. That's it.

And that is all 88k a year of your money and a week less of instruction time for your child will get you.

Without a plan to effectively utilize the data, this is an utter waste and shows a lack of fiduciary oversight on the board's part.

I would have voted no.

nowisdom
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May 11, 2011
Not a thoughtful decision. Why would you want to test Georgia's students on Iowa's curriculum? The ITBS needs to be eliminated in GA, not expanded. For example, 8th graders here study GA Studies. They won't see one question on the ITBS on Georgia. In math, we may teach a scatter plot in a different grade than IOWA. Bad decision made by folks who clearly do not understand assessment. If you don't think the CRCT's are demanding enough, revamp the test, don't rely on the ITBS. Assessments should match the curriculum taught - duh.
More Non-sense
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May 11, 2011
Oh, and how does this additional week of testing fit in with the Common Core Assessments that Georgia has signed up to pilot next year? So, let's get this straight: a week of CRCT, a week of ITBS (in some grades), four Common Core Assessments and then in each subject area unit tests.

Good luck with that, teachers!
More Nonsense
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May 11, 2011
Fabulous. Did you know that only 13 states use this test, most of them southern, and not one of them Iowa? MCS adds another week of testing in the beginning of the year; this is horrendous leadership and serves no purpose whatsoever.
30064 Rambler
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May 11, 2011
More great leadership. Now they are testing more kids with a test that does not cover what is taught here. Rather, they will test what is taught in Iowa and tell the teachers and students how bad they are when they do worse than other schools that take it. Great.
anonymous
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May 11, 2011
Go Marietta! Hope some members of the CCSD start paying attention to what you all are doing!
teacher parent
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May 11, 2011
So we are testing testing testing again because Jill wants to know how her child is doing vs. students across country. I guess the question to parents is, "Do you want your child's teacher to stop teaching for a week so that they can test students with an assessment that has nothing to do with Georgia curriculum? Students are tested 4 times a year with benchmarks, there is the CRCT, if they are learning English they take another test. Then there are the local assessments that the schools' require that measure reading and math progress. Seriously, there is not alot of time left to teach.
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