I've said it before and I'll say it again. Mitt Romney either hopes you aren't paying attention of you are just plain stupid. In an interview with an Ohio television station the other day, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee made this preposterous statement:
"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy. And finally, when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet. So I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back."
In 2008, under the headline "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt", Romney wrote in the New York Times, "If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye."
Romney couldn't have been more wrong, both in claiming credit for Detroit's resurgance and that a government bailout would lead to the demise of America's auto industry.
It took a bailout (the "help" that was "given") to salvage General Motors and Chrysler, exactly what Romney didn't want to see happen just a few short years ago. As a result of the bailout, both companies are back to profitability, the loans mostly repaid to the treasury.
By now, it's what we've come to expect from Romney a man who changes positions like the rest of us change socks. So this latest flip flop to all the others: Romney was for gun control. Now he's against it. Pro-choice. Now anti-abortion. For stem cell research. Now opposes. Individual mandates yes. Now no. Liked path to citizenship. Against today. Global warming supporter. Now global warming denier. Against gay marriage ban. Now supports.
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I didn't imply you were anything, thanks for jumping in, since this is your first comment.
Hyper-sensitivity perhaps?
While we were not even discussing TARP, you implied I was ignorant of the facts surrounding TARP. Since you seem unaware of how you are perceived, this was clearly you calling me ignorant.
But this is not productive. I wish you well.
My wife was ostracized in the workplace, Cobb County Public Schools, because of her core values.
You are preaching to the choir about living by one's core values and how those core values are judged by others.
President Obama has been blamed by many for the increase in prices, it is then is reasonable to give credit for the decrease.
The pipeline across our heartland has been shown that it will not benefit the consumer in the US, while at the same time it has environmental disaster potential. Two very good reasons not to approve it.
If you truly feel unaccepted in Cobb, I am sorry. I love this area. I would offer you a bit of advice. You have to separate politics from your social life. I disagree with some of my closest friends. So what?
Also, many in Cobb have kneejerk reactions to liberals such as yourself because they are used to being beaten up on a regular basis for holding onto those values THEY hold dear. Or called ignorant for being conservative. For instance, you called me ignorant about TARP, not evolution. Because I took a different position, you assumed immediately I simply don't know anything. This is not a good way to have a productive dialogue. Assume instead that I do know something, and I'll do the same for you. Then we can exchange ideas rather than simply look for a reflection of what we already feel.
People here with my core values are NOT accepted by the majority of the population especially in Cobb.
More oil is being produce here now than during the last GOP administration and less oil is being imported. Also the truth. The gas prices are down also the truth. It appears that your idea of a link to oil prices may need more examination.
So it's Bush/Tarp. Obama/Stimulus.
I'm absolutely fine with that score card if that's how you want to calculate it.
Now how much bang for buck were those stimulus dollars again?
Gas prices? Sure. Absolutely no Democrat said Armaggedon was coming when these spiked under Bush, right? Anyway, with Obama, there actually is a correlative link with energy policy.
And your snide comment about evolution and Georgia does not speak to the point that the president had one opinion in the 90s, changed that opinion when running for higher office, then changed back for what appears to be purely political reasons. I don't mind this. Politicians do political things. But don't be blind to political machinations simply because you agree with the outcome.
Also, if you want to have a civil conversation, try to stick with facts rather than hurling implications that the person who is engaging with you is in some way ignorant. Really? This is why the electorate is cynical and disengaged.
The bailout programs were started under the Bush administration in 2008, not under President Obama.
Forty seven percent of Americans believe that TARP was enacted by President Obama (Pew Research). It looks like you are part of that 47%.
It doesn't look like I need to say anymore. Before you post, check the facts.
Romney is considering Governor Martinez of New Mexico. Martinez is the first Latino woman to be elected governor in the US. Obviously not grandstanding because Romney is far behind President Obama on the female and the Latino vote in the US. In the Latino vote President Obama has a 55% lead over Romney and a 20% lead in the female vote. Would you like to change your mind about who is participating in grandstanding vote garnering efforts.
I will standby President Obama's evolution of marriage equality, yes of course he has changed his mind, that is what evolution is. I will assume because we live in GA you may not give much credence to evolution.
Evolution takes years to show signs of change. Evolution is not a lie about who should get credit for the auto industry bailout or the extreme flip flopping on abortion.
As for Lib in Cobb and others who noticed Obama's evolution... Was it devolution when he had the gay marriage position in the 90s as a state senator and then changed this to being unsure upon running for a bigger office? And then changed again when it suited his fund raising? Just curious. I want to understand the definition of flip-flopping. And opportunism.
Regardless, I don't even care about social issues this go around. "It's the economy, stupid," and I'm tired of bailing out people who have run their businesses into the ground. Shall we bail out California next? There's a wonderful example of liberal policies gone swimmingly. Too big to fail?
However, politicians who use that issue to get votes, on either side, are despicable. Obama is particularly despicable because we all know that he is lying through his teeth. Obama's early training was all Muslim, then he tied in with the Christian insanity of Jeremiah Wright. Both of them are steadfastly opposed to gay marriage. The Koran says being gay s punishable by death.
Give him credity if you like, but it only makes you look foolish.
Obama avoided the issue,which was smart. Then he got trapped by the buffoon he chose for VP and had to make a statement.
This is an issue involving human rights, an entire group of people are being judged unworthy of marriage because of sexual orientation. Too many people have gone before the LGBT community fighting for rights which should have been available for all.
It is just a matter of time before conversations like this will no longer be needed.
Romney lied about his involvement in the auto industry bailout in order to secure votes. President Obama never lied about the bailout or the issue of marriage equality rights for all.
Don't go patting him on the back for this vote garnering grandstand play.
As Vice President Biden said, Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive" and not because Romney was involved.
Good luck Mittens!
2. You know darn well Romney is just against federal funding of stem cell research.
3. I assume you were not a major, private GM bond holder.
4. What is this "gay marriage ban" you speak of? I know of no statute that prohibits anyone from marrying whomever they wish.
5. Have a nice day!