Foley and liberals all wet on immigration
by Pete_Borden
 Politics
February 11, 2013 03:12 PM | 1280 views | 18 18 comments | 21 21 recommendations | email to a friend | print | permalink
Leave it to Kevin Foley to begin a column with a false statement.  It is a foolish and inane assertion that GOP candidates were deliberately offending Mexican and Latino voters, during last year’s Presidential election campaign, as his opening statement would have you believe. (Please note that I did not call Mr. Foley a “liar”, as I am sure to be accused of doing.)

He belittles remarks made by GOP candidates, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain and eventual party nominee, Mitt Romney, calling them “rhetoric.  The remarks he quoted were nothing more than insistence on enforcement of the laws already on the books.  Note that he quotes Bachmann as saying, “I believe we should uphold the laws of the land, which does include deportation.”  While she might be graded off for grammar, there is certainly nothing in that statement that qualifies as “rhetoric.”  Only a “spin doctor” would try to turn it into such.

It is a sad day indeed when insistence upon upholding the law is termed as “inflammatory.”  Instead of looking to the people who made the statements, we should be looking al the people who are offended by them. Only people who are intent upon breaking the law are afraid of, or get incensed, by talk of enforcement. 

Certain liberal politicians are insisting that the American people want the illegal immigrants to be granted amnesty, yet they produce little or no proof of their words, other than questionable polls. Without information as to the validity of the polls, the people polled and their location, poll results mean little. If you polled people in Los Angeles County about illegal immigrants you would find a resounding majority in favor of them.  Wow!  Big surprise?  Hardly, since you are, in many cases, asking them if they approve of themselves or their family or friends.  Conversely, if the same poll were conducted among the working class in the Atlanta area, where jobs are lost daily to illegal immigrants, the results would be much different. So, please take your poll results with a shaker of salt, not just a grain.

In 1986, President Reagan granted amnesty to about three million illegal immigrants in this country.  Along with that, we were assured of a closed border.  Only lip service was ever paid to that provision.  Now we have, depending upon whose estimate you use, between 11 and 15 million illegal aliens. Assuming that the 3 million constituted all the illegal aliens here at the time, the illegal alien population has continued to grow at the rate of over 407,000 per year.

No administration, since Reagan, has taken a pro-active stand against this illegal activity.  Bush, Sr. ignored it, Clinton ignored it, Bush, Jr. encouraged it and welcomed it, and Obama’s idea of getting rid of illegals is to make them legal. That’s a brilliant plan!   We can cut down our murder rate. All we have to do is legalize killing.  Our armed robbery rate would disappear, if we made robbery legal.  Heck, we could even unionize the robbers.

The current plan, as defined by the “Gang of Eight” (four liberal “weenies” and four RINOs) would secure the border, streamline the current immigration system and create a tough but fair legalization process.  It would require personal action by those wishing to become legal, including registration, paying fines, demonstrating a productive work record, paying back taxes and learning English, in order to be granted a “green card” and amnesty.  They would also go to the back of the line for citizenship.

However, President Obama only heard the part where they would be granted amnesty. He did not hear, nor does he care about the rest.  He is insisting on amnesty first, then all the other things, including closing the border.

Does anyone really think that, once they get amnesty, they are going to comply with the rest of the provisions?  They pay no attention to the law, or they would not be here.  Their “desire” for citizenship is,  in most cases,  a myth.  There may be a percentage which really wants to be citizens.  The rest want all the benefits without the responsibilities.

The borders will not be secured and the illegals will continue to flock across it, to the land of “leche y miel.”  And the liberals will have increased their voter base by eleven million, effectively ending the two-party system in the U. S. and creating a dictatorship for Obama.

Sorry, Kevin, but “party” is hardly the word for the nightmare of amnesty.

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Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2013
@DA: You have claimed to have asked questions here in this thread. You have two posts, NO QUESTIONS. Did you spend that day at Mulligan's drinking stale, cheap beer?

Please don't refer to yourself as "intelligent", we are supposed to be rational and honest when commenting.
Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2013
@Kevin: Since the 2008 election and perhaps before, there has been a remarkable increase in the number of conservatives calling the progressive thinking Liberal Democrats, "racist". Are they attempting to cover their own short comings and core values? OR Is it just my imagination?
Kevin Foley
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February 14, 2013
Dear George Washington - Good for you. You're an independent thinker. Unfortunately the side you've chosen has very little regard for minorities, based on their leader's rhetoric. That's Colin Powell, Republican, speaking, not me. Take a look at the conservative members of the House and Senate if you don't believe me. Not very many black folks. Conincidence? I think not.

The easiest, laziest thing to do is slap a label on someone, as I am sure you have learned the hard way during your life. So call me whatever you like, but you are on the wrong team, my friend.
@foley
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February 13, 2013
I think you are a racist and and anti-Semite. You always attack anything that Prof. Fein writes and you believe yourself to be, perhaps, the only unprejudiced person in the world. Were you implying that black people cannot spell in your putdown to George Washington, who spelled it correctly earlier. Is that your cheap effort to appear smarter? It didn't work. It made you look cheap!
George Washington
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February 13, 2013
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. You are, indeed, a racist. What's more, you are the worst kind of racist, because you are unwilling to admit your bias.

Further, you harbor the mistaken belief that only what you believe is worthy of consideration and any who do not agree with you are ill-informed and worthy of your lowest contempt.

I have followed your columns and, recently, your blogs. I have yet to see an original thought in any of them. Frankly, your "follow the MSNBC story line" and your "copy and past journalism" leaves me a little cold.

This is one member of the black community who does not swallow Mr. Obama's slicked up BS, and sure is not about to swallow yours.

Have a nice life, if your inner turmoil permits.
Lib in Cobb
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February 13, 2013
@foley: Not Kevin. I will assure you, as I have assured others, I am not Foley and he is not me. I remain flattered.
Kevin Foley
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February 13, 2013
@ GW - Maybe you should learn how to spell your name, then. You also need to read my column and blogs. You'll quickly be disabused of the notion that I'm racist.

Anyway, you know not of what you speak, yet you weigh in. That qualifies you as a screaming hamster along with Adams, off balance, et al. Welcome to the club.
George Washignton
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February 13, 2013
Mr. Foley, how dare you question who I am, and how dare you refer to me as a screaming hamster.

My ancestors picked the surname Washington because they had none of their own. Many black men have worn that name, including the great Booker T. Washington.

So, before you, in your racist haughtiness question who I am just becuase of my name, you need to take a good look at who you are.

From where I sit, you are not much.
Lib in Cobb
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February 13, 2013
@George Washington: OK, if you don't want to use Latino voter turnout for President Obama, compared to that of Mittens, then what numbers would you like to use?

The reason that the "dog whistle crowd" is upset over the changing demographics of America is that it will no longer be for white Christians only. The demographics also include, LGBT, African Americans, women in elected office, Asians, atheists, non-Christians. None of which the conservative movement is happy about. President Obama and the Democratic party wants an all inclusive population and you guys just can't stand it!

Thankfully, we are no longer a white Christian male dominated country. We have come a long way, but we have further to go.
@foley
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February 12, 2013
"Lib, care to weigh in?"

Don't you ever get tired of talking to yourself? Especially since all you get back are your own liberal, progressive thoughts??

PS How come you never say "Lib whoever you are"?
Off Balance
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February 12, 2013
Oh my gosh did I ever goof in my previous post.

"It is clear to me that Fein, like Lee and Goreham, favors illegals over Americans.Apparently his family has not been impacted by the influx of illegal workers, has no empathy for the problems of the working man." Of course I meant Foley=, not Fein. Dr Fein knows what he is talking about. Foley is ome kind of lunar=tic liberal.
Devlin Adams
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February 12, 2013
Foely, you really have the liberal playbook memorized, don't you?

If you don't like the message, attack the messenger.

Washington and I both brought up questions, but instead of answering them, you go off on a rant about the authors.

Then you ask your alter ego attack dog to weigh in.

No wonder Borden does not respond to our silliness. Once he tears your little columns to pieces, he just lets you destroy yourself with your schoolyard temper tantrums.

Your really do provide quite a few laughs to me and the rest of the itelligent readers.
Kevin Foley
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February 12, 2013
@ George Washington (whoever you are) What an asinine post. It's almost as silly as Borden's and Adams'. If you loved last Friday's column, wait until you see Friday's.

As I say, you and the rest of the intolerant screaming hamsters are the best thing that ever happened to progressives. We could not have won the White House and increased our Senate seats without you.

Lib, care to weigh in?

Off Balance
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February 12, 2013
D A and G W

You peeled back the curtain. I do believe Foley, the liberal and Lib in Cobb are one and the same.

I do not read Foley's columns, I do react and respond to his posts on columns like Pete Borden's and Melvyn Fein's. It is clear to me that Fein, like Lee and Goreham, favors illegals over Americans.Apparently his family has not been impacted by the influx of illegal workers, has no empathy for the problems of the working man.

This is quite contrary to his Marxist leader's philosophy, yet he still fancies himself to be a champion of ???. I am not sure exactly what, but clearly the socialist to communist advances of his hero in the White House.

I was shocked to have seen a column by Bill Press that actually looked at the other side from which he normally looks. Do you suppose Foley and his alter ego Lib and one other I have forgotten from the past, will ever, once, step down from g-his dais of liberal beliefs and write an unbiased column or protest?

And--to play his little game--I believe he attacks Dr Fein because he is an anti Semite.

And-- he resents Pete Borden because Pete's facts are correct, so he uses Alinsky and challenges the facts and asks for proofs that have already been shown. A delaying tactic at best.

Hmmm? I wonder if there is a secret kaffeeklatsch with Lee, Goreham, Pellegrino and Foley and an empty chair for Lib in Cobb where they sit and chuckle about broken promises and helping their friends in the chamber to make greater profits through lower wages.?????
Devlin Adams
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February 12, 2013
Great teamwork here. Foley posts BS and Lib comes along and stirs it so it continues to stink.

Is it any wonder that people with more intelligence than a fence post know that they are one and the same, or if they truly are not, then it is evident that Lib never had an origina. thought in his life.
Lib in Cobb
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February 12, 2013
The GOP has been very successful in alienating a wide array of people including the Latino population. Evidence of that alienation is the percentage of Latino voters who voted for Mittens or who didn't vote for Mittens. Now we have one of the volunteer mouth pieces for the anti immigration crowd (Borden) speaking up.

It's not much of a stretch to "belittle" remarks made by Caine, Bachmann and Mittens. These three supply ample comments to belittle. There is some hidden advantages to the last election, we will not see Bachmann, Cain or Mittens run for the presidency again, thankfully.
George Washington
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February 11, 2013
Sorry to burst your little self iportance bubble there, Mr. Foley, but the fact that Romney got lousy support from the Latinos is hardly evidence that anything was done on purpose, which is the premise of your false statement.

It is more a tribute to the liberal spin doctors, including you, who were able to convince the uneducated factions of the Latino world that the GOP was against immigration, which is a bald faced lie. The GOP is and should still be, as should all U. S. citizens, against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is a crime. None of the educated working class Latinos fell for that crap. They are as much opposed to illegal immigrationa as most people are, and as you should be.

The fact that the demographics of the country are uprooted and going through a drastic change is a testament to the faulre of 4 successive administrations which did not do their jobs and keep our borders secure.

Borden and the rest of the conservatives have good reason to be mad. It is just too bad the liberals do not have enough sense to be mad about the ssme things.

Your time will come.

Kevin Foley
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February 11, 2013
No, its not false Pete. It's a fact as evidenced by the lousy support Romney got from Latinos and Hispanic voters, down from the 44% Bush got in 2004.

I feel bad for you and your anti-immigration ilk. I really do. The changing face of America must be scary and overwhelming for somebody so stuck to his own narrow views.

Nevertheless, the more conservatives anger and alienate minorities, the less relevant they become.

Keep up the good work! You've done a fabulous job for Democrats so far!



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