The Sixth Amendment is officially dead, the Fifth mortally wounded
by Pete_Borden
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July 19, 2013 10:54 AM | 1564 views | 20 20 comments | 13 13 recommendations | email to a friend | print | permalink

With the announcement, by Attorney General Eric Holder, that the Department of Justice will “aggressively” investigate George Zimmerman, two things have died in this country.   First is that portion of the Fifth Amendment which protects us from double jeopardy, i.e. being tried twice for essentially the same crime.  The only motivation for the DOJ to investigate George Zimmerman would be preparatory to trying to charge him with a federal charge, for essentially the same crime, thereby, putting him in double jeopardy.  Of course, they will call it something else, so the stupid of the country will not recognize it for what it is.  They might even try to charge him with depriving Trayvon of his civil rights.   They can hardly charge him with a hate crime since an investigation by the FBI and local authorities both concluded that race was not a motivating factor.  Anything they call it will not change the fact that he is being tried for the same crime twice. 

The second casualty of the DOJ investigation is the right to a speedy and public trial, as guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment.

No longer will we be tried by a jury of our peers in a legal courtroom.  From this point forward, we will be tried and judged in the court of public opinion.  And that public opinion will be shaped by a media that is, for all practical purposes under the direct control of the government.

The trial of George Zimmerman was the beginning of the new order.  The mainstream media, from the outset, portrayed Trayvon Martin as an innocent child, tracked down and murdered by an evil racist George Zimmerman.  It made good copy. The DOJ’s arm, the Community Relations Service, under the guise of being “peacemakers”, had people in Florida helping organize and finance protests against Zimmerman, almost from day one.  So the media appeared justified in their unfair characterization.

Never once did the media attempt to determine the whole story.  They practiced selective journalism, or confirmation bias, wherein the result is determined first and everything not supporting that result is discarded.  For instance, they glossed over, or failed to mention, Trayvon Martin’s brushes with the legal authorities.  They talked all around the fact that he was on a ten day suspension from school at the time of the shooting.  They said it was for being caught in an unauthorized area. Excuse me, but what area in a public school is so scared as to warrant a 10 day suspension for trespassing? Such suspensions are not handed out, except for major problems, or repeated offenses.

Never once did they mention that George Zimmerman was a mentor and tutor to black and Hispanic children.   You see that would have blown their “racially motivated crime” story right out the window.   Even today, they still refer to it as a white-on-black crime, in spite of the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic.

Nor did they mention the difference in the physical size and condition of Trayvon (high school football player, almost 6’ tall) and Zimmerman, 4” shorter and not in shape.  Nor did they give but a modicum of ink to the police photos of Zimmerman bleeding at the nose and with multiple cuts and contusions on the back of his head.  Of course, the fact that the prosecution withheld those pictures  along with other evidence,  until a whistleblower informed the press (which ignored it) and subsequently the defense attorney of their existence has, been mostly ignored by the media.

So it would seem that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments are about gone, and we will, forthwith, be tried and convicted by the mainstream media, without regard to truth.  It is obvious that truth is a dirty word to them.

That’s two of the Bill of Rights gone.  With the administration trying hard to negate the Second Amendment, it would appear that the Bill of rights may soon be a thing o the past.

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Lib in Cobb
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July 31, 2013
Guido: You don't know my family or its history, so your comment about my breeding is speculation. I am from MA and my family came here in 1631, a very long line of liberal thinkers, who value passion, education and being informed. Now please, what's your excuse, did you grow up in a corn patch and how old were you when you started wearing shoes?

By the way, "ability" is never "stupid", perhaps if you had completed high school you might have a better command of our language.

President Obama is not Muslim, he has a Muslim name, but you have missed the truth about him also. Not a surprise at all. You are one of those shallow headed, thin thinkers who is so incensed that a liberal, black man with a Muslim name dared to become and REMAIN president that you are willing to ignore the failings of your own party. I watch the conservative heads explode daily with anger and I am enjoying it more than you can imagine. I will suggest that you and your party look for a worthwhile candidate for the 2016 election. The last two Republican presidential candidates and their running dopes were smacked by Barack Hussein Obama.

Believe what you wish, which gives me reason to call you mislead. You have adequately illustrated how badly mislead you are.
Guido Sarducci
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July 31, 2013
Only a liberal would mistake low breeding and ill manners for "passion".

And your stupid ability to ignore all the facts and believe what youa re told to believe by MSNBC and your Muslim president, renders you totally mindless.
Lib in Cobb
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July 31, 2013
It's the passion you don't like. Very typical for uptight conservatives. A fire in the belly is often times mistaken for "nastiness".

You are done.
Guido Sarducci
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July 30, 2013
Lib, I attempted to engage you in a civilized manner and have a reasoned discussion with you.

Tryu to your colors, you had to revert to nastiness and insults.

Typical of you liberals.
Lib in Cobb
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July 29, 2013
You will believe what you wish to be the truth involving the murder of a 17 year old unarmed young man.. I elect to believe what is right. Z got away with murder.

As far as who I am and who Foley is. I will challenge you to prove that he and I are the same person. Only people with very small minds take delight in such a stupid pastime and now you have joined the gathering of idiots.
Guido Sarducci
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July 29, 2013
Lib, the reason there was no arrest of Zimmerman is that the physical evidence, including Zimmerman's battered and bleeding nose, the gashes on the back of his head and the wetness of the back of his clothing all corroborated his statement about the shooting. There was no evidence to support any criminal charges, as the trial and verdict proved.

As to King and Adams, you can be as skeptical as you like, but it will only make you look foolish. Probably the only reason Adams persists in saying that you and Foley are the same is that appears to "get your goat". BTW, I note he is not the

only one making that "connection."
Lib in Cobb
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July 29, 2013
@Guido: The family members who stayed too long are out of our home and back in theirs. I have informed them that we are not a vacation destination. You know what has been said about "fish and house guests".

One of the reasons why Sharpton and Jackson became so vocal about the Trayvon Martin murder, was the very fact that no arrest was made for 45 days after the shooting and after the Zimmerman confession. Arrests and charges were brought against the suspect and his family very quickly in the shooting of the 13 month old child. A very obvious difference between the two murders.

Regarding Devlin Adams and DA King. The names are very close, the writing style is somewhat similar and they both speak of Kevin Foley and I being the same person, we are not. I will remain skeptical involving their identity.
Guido Sarducci
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July 26, 2013
Lib, first of all, congratulations on getting rid of company that has long since overstayed its welcome. I will hoist one for you later at Mulligans,

As to Adams' post. I think you missed his point entirely. The media, along with the race baiting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, is making a major deal out of the Trayvon killing while ignoring, as you now know, other tragedies which deserve at least as much attention as that one incident.

I mean, a 13 month old baby shot and killed by a black kid who happens to be the same age as Trayvon. It gets little or no national press, or attention from Sharpton or Jackson, Why? Could it be that it doe snot further the cause of keeping racial tensions at a high level?

BTW, since Adams is black, how could he possibly also be D. A. King? Yep, he really is black and an acquaintance of mine. A member of a breakfast and bullshit group that I belong to.
Lib in Cobb
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July 25, 2013
@DA King or Devlin Adams: Due to the nature of murder and it's media appeal, we don't hear about every murder in the US on a daily basis, nor are we informed about every fatal car accident. Now that you have learned what the media can and will do, why don't you keep us abreast of every single murder which occurs no matter the zip code. Shouldn't be a problem for you, considering your extraordinary intellect.

I am celebrating tonight, family members who have been here way too long are leaving tomorrow.
Devlin Adams
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July 25, 2013
Foley, I see you reverted to your alter ego, Lib in Cobb. You may answer the following question under whatever name you choose. Can you tell me the realtionship in the following series of numbers? 5, 14, 15, 16, 17.

Can’t do it, huh? Those are the ages of 5 black children gunned down on the streets of Chicago. (tough gun control city), in the period during which the Zimmerman trial was going on. Do you know their names?

No, you don’t because nobody cared. It was not in the media, outside Chicago. You see, they were gunned down by blacks. So that’s okay.



Ever hear of Antonio West? A thirteen month old white baby shot in the face and killed by a boy the same age as the precious Trayvon. You will hear about her. The two black youths, one of whom killed her and shot her mother are going to be tried in Cobb County. Who are you going to demand justice for, Antonio or her black killer?



How about Autumn Pasquale? She was an innocent 12 year old white child who was beaten to death by 17 year old and a 15 year old black kid. Why? They wanted her bicycle.

All the emphasis on Zimmerman and Martin and none on those crimes, pretty much lays out the race baiters' belief that blacks killing black kids is okay, that blacks killing white kids is okay, but God help you if a non-black should kill a black kid.

Are you really so stupid as to think racial prejudice is a political issue?
Lib in Cobb
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July 25, 2013
@Rhinehart and Middleton: Ever since President Obama was elected in a very easy victory over McCain and his running dope, the "wingers" have adopted a new stance of "we're not the racists the liberals are". Rhinehart's comment to Middleton is another example of this sophomoric approach to a very long standing divisive issue. The idea of "racial harmony" is a distant thought in the minds of the right because they hold dear the words of Rush and O'Rielly, Borden and King none of these men will be judged as broadminded.

Grow up Steve.
Steve Rhinehart
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July 24, 2013
Thank you Mr. Middleton. Yes, Mr. Foley has demonstrated quite amply that he is either not interested in, or is incapable of, having any kind of meaningful discourse.

I am therefore, relegating his futrure blather to the trash can where it belongs. I have no time for self deluding race baiting bigots like Mr. Foley and his disciple. Neither add anything to racial harmony and , instead, have become part of the problem.
George Middleton
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July 23, 2013
Mr. Rhinehart, you will soon learn that using facts, logic and reason on Kevin Foley is a waste of time. To him, they are like Holy Water is to Dracula.



He is more adept at misdirection and insults than reasoned discussion. Unless you happen to agree with him, then he is all ears.



Lib in Cobb
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July 23, 2013
@Steve: It is the sworn obligation of all Liberals to point out the errors of any conservative person when they are so wrong as Borden has been involving the 5th and 6th amendments.

Critical reviews are not attacks, they are critical reviews, there is a difference. The difference being, a critical review has truth as its base.

Have a nice day.
Kevin Foley
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July 23, 2013
@ Rhinehart - I have no idea what your "points" are. Why don't you take a few rhetoric classes at KSU and then weigh in here with comments that make sense.
Steve Rhinehart
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July 22, 2013
Wrong Foley. Don't try to duck out of addressing my points by claiming the subject is Pete Borden's lack of a law degree, I am not aware that you have one either, so I would say that puts you pretty much even on that point.

However, your attempt to shrug all this off by attacking Borden is pretty petty and the oldest liberal dodge in the book.

When you grow up and learn to discuss instead of attack, you might get some additional readers.
Kevin Foley
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July 22, 2013
@ Rhinehart - Again, like so many right wingers who post here, you read but fail to comprehend. The topic here is Pete Borden, amateur lawyer, who doesn't understand the law and who is wrong on most all of his points.

Since you bring up justice, the president also said the jury had spoken. I agree with him, at least on the criminal case.

You want to talk about racism? See my blog post later today.
Steve Rhinehart
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July 22, 2013
Kevin, your pathetic attempt to rationalize what is happening would be laughable if it were not a prime eaxmple of the racial prejudice that is threatening to destroy this country.

Where was your indignation when Roderick Scott, a 42 year old black neighborhood watch volunteer was acquitted of all charges in the shooting death of a 17 year old white youth, Christian Cervini? Cervini's parents maintain that their "sweet little boy" would never have attacked

Scott or been involved in the break-ins about which he and his friends were being questioned when Cervini attacked him. It happend barely 3 years prior to the Zimmerman/Martin incident, in Rochester. NY. Google it. Get educated.

Remember how the President said, "If I had a son he would look like Christian" and Eric Holder opened an investigation into whether his civil rights had been violated and Al Sharpton organized protests demaning "Justice for Christian", and white people took to the streets demanding justice?

Claiming that the DOJ is investigating whether Martin's civil rights were violated is just sugar coating the fact that he is essentially being "tried for the same crime. He will tried in the lamestream media again.

Claiming the lamestream media "covered" this incident accurately is like saying that Pravda was an accurate source of news in the former USSR. The media set out to hang Zimmerman and they damned near succeeded, except for the six intelligent women on the jury, who put all the media hype aside and looked at the facts.

Everything that has happened since the verdict was handed down has been driven by racial prejudice and you and your disciple are part of the problem.

You are not interested in truth or justice. You want blood.

Shame on you.
Kevin Foley
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July 20, 2013
Wow, Pete, you're wrong on nearly everything here.

Zimmerman wasn't arrested and the "mainstream media" ignored the case for 45 days despite the efforts of the attorney of Martin's parents to publicize the case. It wasn't until Al Sharpton got involved that the cops finally got around to even making an arrest. Florida's GOP Gov. Rick Scott got involved, telling Trayvon's parents "we have to get this right." Was he part of your DOJ conspiracy?

Every aspect of this case was covered by the mainstream media. I know, because unlike you I don't rely solely on what the far right screaming media hamsters are saying to stay informed.

The DOJ investigation is into whether Martin's civil rights were violated, not whether Zimmerman should be retried for murder, so your double jeopardy argument is silly. Whether DOJ moves or not, Martin's parents will get Zimmerman on the stand under oath in a civil wrongful death action, which they will probably win.

Your accusation that DOJ sent people to organize protests is straight from the far right media, which have pushed this lie for weeks. Did you even take a one minute to investigate its veracity? I didn't think so.

You prove the axiom, Pete, that non-lawyers who represent themselves have a fool for a client.
Lib in Cobb
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July 19, 2013
@Pete: Since you are passing yourself off as a legal expert, you do realize that what Z was tried for and the investigation which may be conducted by the DOJ are for TWO different crimes. Neither the fifth nor the sixth apply, except in your mind.
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