The Occupy Movement Revisited
by Melvyn_Fein
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May 17, 2012 01:25 PM | 1170 views | 14 14 comments | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print | permalink

I may be beating a dead horse into the ground, but I cannot help myself. The Occupy Wall Street movement is so emblematic of what has gone wrong with leftist politics, that it furnishes the perfect example of its defects. Therefore let me proceed.

Liberals and their more radical allies are fond of portraying themselves as reformers. They tell us that their goal is to correct what is broken in our country so that it can march forward toward its predestined greatness.

This is what they say, but it is not what they believe. Contrary to their expressed attitudes, these folks do not love the United States. They do not want to build it up, but tear it down.

Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama tell us that the Occupy activists are idealists. They thereby imply that their ideals are consistent with the ideals of most Americas. In fact, they are not. The moving lights behind these agitators are a combination of neo-Marxists and anarchists.

How do I know that this is what the Occupy people believe? The answer is simple: they say so. They have also been acting more in accord with these underlying convictions.

For some time, the occupiers have sought to paralyze our financial institutions. They have physically interceded to stop the foreclosures of homes in default and have turned some central cities into war zones. Now some have actually plotted to blow up bridges carrying civilian traffic.

The point of this semi-terrorism is to bring our economic system crashing to the ground. Anarchists believe this is necessary because they regard business as an oppressive agent of the elite. They consequently assume that if they can destroy its infrastructure, it will no longer be able to hold people in bondage.

Their allies, the neo-Marxists, agree because they too perceive capitalists, and the marketplace they dominate, as the enemy. It might be imagined that anarchists would strike out at government as fundamentally unnecessary, whereas liberals would regard it as the protector of the people, but this ignores the bedrock beliefs of the neo-Marxists.

Radicals of every stripe hate those in power—except when they themselves are in power. They therefore hate the government when they perceive it as controlled by bloated capitalists. When, however, their friends—the left wing Democrats—are in charge, they seek governmental aid in destroying the assets of the wealthy.

The bottom line is that both the anarchists and the neo-Marxists expect the government to wither away on its own. If they can first undermine the market system, then the government will no longer be necessary to reign in the excesses of the commercial elite. When that happens, it will simply fade to nothingness. And once that occurs, their shared goal of total personal freedom will have been realized.

So you see the first step is obliterating our current institutions. This is not reform: it is revolution. The people on the street understand this. I assume that the left-wing politicians in Washington understand this—and, in their heart of hearts, approve. Leftists love power, but in their imaginations they too harbor extreme idealistic fantasies.

The question is consequently: Do ordinary Americans understand this? Do they realize that those “children” out on the street would tear down everything they have built—if they could? And if they do, do they really want to be indulgent and pretend that this is an ordinary case of democracy in action?

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Off Balance
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May 23, 2012
@foley @halle

What is it with theses two posters that they have this need to identify posters by nae? Is this like Hitler's "Yor pabers bleez"?

Every time I come to read these blogs those two men keep beating the "who are you" drum.. One has to wonder why. I see where one of them wrote that a poster here had to let everyone know what his/her contribution to America before people could evaluate their posts.

What is this obsession?? To me, it is a feeble attempt to discourage or to disparage anyone they disagree with...
Kevin Foley
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May 23, 2012
Anonymous (and Frogbreath, whoever you two are) -

I have zero confidence in your your knowledge but enormous confidence in your ignorance.
D. McDowell
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May 22, 2012
BTW,

Why would you beat a dead horse into the ground or even consider this cruel statement as an analogy. You then might consider the Tea Partiers being similar to putting lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig or a hog as in the one percenters.
D. McDowell
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May 22, 2012
Mr. Fein,

Unless you have been to an Occupy meeting don't pretend that you know what they are about or who might be a member, they are not young people rather people; citizens of all backgrounds and ages.
anonymous
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May 22, 2012
@Foley

Alinsky is-----YOU!

There now, do you have more confidence in my knowledge??
frogbreath
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May 22, 2012
I see Foley, for whom , I have little regard, jumping on the Halle bandwagon on knowing the names of the posters who do not agree with them. What is this fixation?? I do not need to know either Foley's name or Halle's. Is there some liberal state of mind that the anonymity of the web causes them night sweats?? I do not care if they use their names or not.

So Foley, (whatever you are and Halle(ditto), sit there panting because you do not know the names of most who blog here anonymously. We do not live for the challenge of debate. We wish to state our views and be done, temporarily, with the issue.

Do you have a list of requirements, like Halle , before anyone's opinion bears merit?? I suggest you do.

One valid point about posting one's name here is that I know who you are and since I disagree with you, I can avoid any chance meetings in real life with those whose liberal ideas will ruin America, or should I say, have hurt America to date.

Is this your need for identity??

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

PS If you knew who I was, it would do you little good, for all I am is a practical, patriotic American, whose small bank of knowledge is to remember the errors of the past and to speak up to try to see they do not happen again so that the country I leave to my children and grand children is the one entrusted to me by my father and all the other American fathers of the past..

frogbreath
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May 22, 2012
@oliver g halle

"We don't know what you have ever done for America other than to criticize those you differ with and perhaps pay your taxes."

What is it I need to have done to qualify to have my opinion. How about I worked in the private sector for over 40 years, raised a family, voted in almost every single election. Earlier in life I served in the military in a combat zone--did you?? Did Obama?? Am I justified in expecting you and him and throw in Foley too, to have served in the military to have an opinion?

I do not ask that of you. I simply read your comments and when I find them lacking, to my thinking, I challenge them.

Please publish your list of requirements for an American to have an opinion before one posts here. I am sure they do not match mine or, obviously, the MDJs requirement. How typically liberal of you..

Kevin Foley
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May 22, 2012
"Anonymous" (whoever you are) - At least Mr. Halle has the courage to identify himself.

I see you're spouting the "Alinsky" nonsense Gingrich was throwing around before he bailed on his bogus campiagn. Do you even know who Alinsky is?
anonymous
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May 22, 2012
Halle (I don't care who you are),

en·ti·tle

   [en-tahyt-l] Show IPA

verb (used with object), en·ti·tled, en·ti·tling.

1.

to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others.

2.

to call by a particular title or name: What was the book entitled?

3.

to designate (a person) by an honorary title.

I repeat, you have entitled yourself an agitator.

Knowing who you are gives me no indication of your credibility and indeed when another poster identified himself as an attorney, you took that as an opportunity to attempt t smear him.

I do not give Alinsky students opportunities to execr5cise their underhanded ploys.Besides, with your previous government affiliations, I would not be one bit surprised to find you know every bloggers name on this site.

I haven't an idea of what you have done for America, but since you choose to put specifications on people in order for them to state their opinions, I guess you require my curriculum vitae before I am allowed an opinion. What a great American you are, and agitator too.

It must really bother you that my vote is equal to yours......
Kevin Foley
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May 20, 2012
As usual, no examples of what you are talking about, Doc. Not a scintilla of evidence to back up your thesis other than your own narrow impressions of what the Occupiers are saying and doing. Just more regurgitated far right nonsense.

You should thank God for tenure (you know, that guaranteed government job you perform, I'm sure to the disappointment of your students and superiors). Otherwise you'd be living on Social Security and Medicare, two of those "leftist" programs you despise.
Oliver G. Halle
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May 18, 2012
Mr. Frogbreath,

Perhaps if you identified yourself the readers of your comments could judge for themselves if you have any credibility. Without knowing who you are we have no way of knowing if you are one of those born on third base and thinks he hit a tripple. We don't know what you have ever done for America other than to criticize those you differ with and perhaps pay your taxes. Dissent is healthy. It distills ideas to some semblance of truth. I love living in America where you can read and write what you want, ignore what you wish, and never fear the police coming through your door at midnight because of what you said. Lastly, Mr. Frogbreath, I have not "entitled" myself as The Agitator; but I have titled my blog with that name.
frogbreath
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May 18, 2012
@Halle

The actions of liberal people indicate they do not love America. In their hearts, I believe they do. In their actions, (OWS,etc.), I believe the do not and harm America. I am not one bit opposed to picketing and to exposing wrongs in the public arena. I am opposed to trying to force the economy to suffer to prove a point.

I have read a few of your essays and I find I quite disagree with your points on most issues. You are an alter ego of Kevin Foley.

The negatives I have viewed and read about the Occupy groups is far greater than any positives. I agree with some of their issue, but like certain foodstuffs or other products they attract the flies of the political iconoclasts and their cause is harmed by the indolent, freeloading, even criminals that join them.

There must be a better way. I confess, I do not know it. I do not mind posters, peaceful protests, gatherings, o long as they function within the framework of the law and do not impede other who do not agree.

You sir, have entitled yourself as an Agitator. So be it. But, I am sure that many of us get tired of being agitated about things we do not believe to be harmful. I no longer read your column (or Foley's for that matter), I reply today because of your challenge to Dr Fein with whom I mostly agree.

Frank Ward
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May 17, 2012
Interesting......reading your commentary, Dr. Fein, tends to make one believe that taking drugs must be a prerequisite to writing in the MDJ online site....."Liberals.....these folks do not love the United States. They do not want to build it up, but tear it down." So if someone disagrees with you they are classified as destroyers.....what an impossibly monstrous ego you must have to make such a statement....I know a lot of liberals who desperately love this country.....who have fought for this country in very dangerous circumstances....who have given their lives and limbs for this country...while people like you attack their patriotism and motives....I know some Occupiers who are veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan but who come home and can't get jobs but see the people on Wall Street getting away with economic murder while people like you applaud the Wall Streeters' ability to do so and even want to give them more rope to continue their piracy and chicanery.....the people I refer to just want a fair shake and they want to stop the big banks from receiving all the favors they get from Congress while the common man gets short thrift...you libel them, sir, and you should be ashamed of writing such ridiculous gross accusations and drivel.....have you ever sat down with real folks Occupiers and just talked with them? I have...and I hear far different stories and comments than what you spew out from your poisonous keyboard.....what you did was the same if I categorized all Tea Party supporters as racists and wanting to keep minorities in their place.....some of them are...I have heard their comments.....but not all of them are.....life is grey, Dr. Fein....not black and white....and if ALL of us Americans do not recognize our common interest in coming together to move forward...instead of doing Newt Gingrichian verbal attacks to destroy....then we will share in bringing our country down....good people can disagree, Dr. Fein, and still be good people....if you can't recognize that then you still have not joined the ranks of true adulthood and maturity.
Oliver G. Halle
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May 17, 2012
Dr. Fein laments that he is beating a dead horse about "what has gone wrong with leftist politics." He is beating a dead horse alright, but it is the one of taking the easy way to denounce his political opponents: name calling and stereotyping. It's so much simpler to do that than to actually articulate and defend your opinions. Name calling makes it easy to stereotype, and stereotyping is this professor's lazy shortcut to defining his own political views.

Dr. Fein says that liberals don't love the United States. Wow! Talk about a generalization. I hold some liberal views, but I also served in the military and volunteered to go to Vietnam. (In one of Dr. Fein's columns he mentioned being a draftee during Vietnam, but being a man who professes to love America I wonder why he didn't volunteer to do a tour in Vietnam.) Interesting too that so many of the Vietnam era conservatives (I can provide a list of names)took advantage of every deferment they could to show their love for America. Mr. Fein's favorite Republican, Mitt Romney, is just one who made the list.

Dr. Fein never points out some of the reasons for many honest, hardworking Occupiers being out there peacefully protesting. Not a word about the inequitable income tax system. Not one peep does this good professor with all the ideas share with us about how he would create good jobs. I wonder how he would figure out how to navigate the global and high tech economy where fewer people are needed to provide the same services of years ago.

Dr. Fein, I am a strong believer in a market economy. But like many, I also believe that everyone should play by the same rules. When the shareholders of JP Morgan allow Jamie Dimon to keep his $23 million pay package despite his failure to watch the store, something is very wrong. That he hasn't offered to fall on his sword speaks volumes. I don't recall Dr. Fein commnting on the Wall Street bailouts and then adding insult to injury when top executives took some of that money as bonuses for their failures. And you wonder why there are angry middle class people. Putting aside the extremists, good sir, these are honest, decent, good Americans.

Dr. Fein, instead of lecturing to your readers, why not engage in a debate and respond to some of the comments to your blogs? Or do you just believe that you know the answers to everything, your right and everyone else is wrong?
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