T-SPLOST town hall fails to draw a crowd
by Geoff Folsom
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About 20 people showed up to hear dueling speeches on the TSPLOST referendum from  retired Army Col. Bob Ross, above, and former state Sen. Chuck Clay during a  town hall meeting in Smyrna on Wednesday.<br>Staff photo by Jon-Michael Sullivan
About 20 people showed up to hear dueling speeches on the TSPLOST referendum from retired Army Col. Bob Ross, above, and former state Sen. Chuck Clay during a town hall meeting in Smyrna on Wednesday.
Staff photo by Jon-Michael Sullivan
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T-SPLOST town hall fails to draw a crowd
Michael 
Paris, center, president and CEO of the Council for 
Quality Growth and representative for the Metro 
Atlanta Voter Education Network, speaks about 
the transportation referendum during the town 
hall meeting about the transportation 
investment act in Smyrna on Tuesday. 
<br>Staff photo by Jon-Michael Sullivan
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SMYRNA — If turnout for Tuesday’s town hall meeting at Smyrna City Hall is any indication, don’t expect long lines to vote on the Transportation Investment Act referendum on July 31.

About 20 people showed up to hear dueling speeches from former state Sen. Chuck Clay, partner in the Marietta law firm Brock Clay who is now with the pro-TIA Citizens for Transportation Mobility, and retired Army Col. Bob Ross, a Peachtree City tea party leader who represented the anti-TSPLOST Transportation Leadership Coalition.

Michael Paris, president and chief executive officer of the Council for Quality Growth, represented the Metro Atlanta Voter Education Network. His 25-minute presentation to open the hour-and-a-half meeting gave what he called neutral information on the vote in the 10-county metro Atlanta region, like how passing the TIA would provide 34,000 construction jobs and $9.2 billion in savings in wasted fuel and time.

Paris told the Smyrna audience how the $6.1 billion project list would benefit their community by paying for a new interchange at Interstate 75 and Windy Hill Road, as well as taking Windy Hill Road underneath Cobb Parkway.

“That would be a huge relief for the east-west commute,” he said.

If approved, the projects would be paid for with a 1 percent sales tax that would be collected for 10 years, unless it brings in $8.5 billion before that, Paris said. The tax would go into effect Jan. 1, 2013.

Ross barely touched on Cobb-specific projects during his opening speech, which lasted around 15 minutes, instead discussing how much of the overall project list would go toward transit. At one point he juxtaposed two nearly identical photos of traffic on Interstate 75/85 near downtown Atlanta on a PowerPoint display, attempting to show how little traffic relief is projected.

“This is what a commute on the Connector will look like before we spend $3.2 billion in transit. This is what it looks like after we spend $3.2 billion in transit,” Ross said. “We take two cars off the road. It’s like ‘Where’s Waldo?’”

In his fiery seven-minute opening speech, Clay said the project list isn’t perfect, but it’s the best deal the region is going to get. He said that if naysayers had been listened to, the county wouldn’t have projects such as the water and sewer system pushed through by former county Chairman Ernest Barrett, as well as the Cobb Galleria Centre.

“This facility we’re sitting in now, this magnificent town center, it wouldn’t exist,” Clay said. “I think it’s a wise investment.”

For a half hour, the audience asked questions by turning in index cards with their questions written on them. WSB-TV news anchor John Bachman served as moderator.

At one point, Ross was asked how much of Cobb’s $984 million share would go toward funding MARTA, something he didn’t know. But Clay later came forward to say that none of the proposed bus rapid transit line from Acworth to Midtown Atlanta would be paid to MARTA, though it would end at a MARTA station.

“That $690 million for transit has to do with an express route for Cobb Countians that runs to a MARTA station, but whether Fulton County as a group and the city of Atlanta and DeKalb and Decatur … if they chose to allocate their money exclusively to transit, this thing will rise and fall in those communities,” Clay said.

When asked how he would fund transportation improvements if he had his choice, Ross said he would like to see tax credits given to drivers with cars that have advanced cruise control which automatically adjusts speeds to keep a safe distance between drivers, or even using more driverless cars, which he said would be safer and cause fewer accidents. He also suggested using a mileage tax, if one could be developed that finds out how far people drive while maintaining their privacy.

“If you chose to use our more congested roads during the peak time of day, you would be charged accordingly,” Ross said.

Speakers briefly discussed Smyrna’s $8.58 million project list, which uses the 15 percent of the TIA pot set aside for individual cities and counties to determine a use for. While they said $5 million would go toward roadway improvements, $2.58 million would be used for street resurfacing and $1 million would go to sidewalks, they haven’t yet set aside money for specific projects, like Cobb County and some cities have.

Smyrna City Councilman Ron Fennel hosted the event, which was also attended by fellow council members Susan Wilkinson and Wade Lnenicka. Cobb Planning Commissioner Bob Hovey was also on hand.

Mike Lowry, who works as a mentor for technology startups in Roswell, said he was disappointed by the turnout.

“Too many serious questions are not being asked,” said Lowry, 66, who like Ross is a member of the Transportation Leadership Coalition. “I’m actually quite ashamed that we had 20 people in this room, 10 of whom were either Untie Atlanta or the press."

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anonymous
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July 05, 2012
It is critical that everyone understand what they are really voting for or against. It is clear from examining MARTA’s 2010 and 2011 “Annual Report” that MARTA is broke and going under. The situation is so bad that they do not even include any financial statements, like a Balance Sheet in their Annual Reports. MARTA already gets 60% of its revenue from sales taxes, only 22% from ridership (fares) The rest is from Federal revenue which is decreasing. They need to make up the rest of their $300M per year shortfall on the backs of the neighboring counties.

Check it out for yourself, MARTA’s 2011 “Annual Report”, page 37:

http://www.itsmarta.com/uploadedFiles/About_MARTA/Reports/PAFR_2011 final.pdf

MARTA’s Sales Tax revenue comes from a 1% sales tax levied in the City of Atlanta and the Counties of Fulton and DeKalb. Revenue comes in at $436M while expenses top $727M (page 39). Now they need yet another sales tax for revenue.

The coming TIA Transportation Referendum is an $8.5B pile of pork with half the revenue for failing MARTA. Examples are a bridge at Lake Altoona and sidewalks in Lawrenceville. These projects will supposedly help alleviate Atlanta’s traffic flow. This is another obvious bailout and redistribution of personal income.

Will we join the City of Atlanta, Fulton, and DeKalb counties in funding MARTA in perpetuity? MARTA will never be solvent because we would need at least five times as many riders just to break even. Atlanta would need to have the population density of New York, which is why real-estate developers favor the referendum.

archlab
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June 22, 2012
20 People! That's a sign of either:

a) That Cobb-ites are a pretty apathetic bunch, or

b) That Cobb-ites are pretty soundly against the T-Splost, or

c) Both

I vote Both. The standard anti-Tax mantra will be the ostensible reason for the T-Splost not passing (which I think is the correct outcome, BTW), but what's really in play is that people of Cobb are lazy & are afraid of doing some heavy lifting to solve the problems we have.
mk-TIA, like heroin
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June 21, 2012
JR asked what the VOTE NO crowd suggests as an alternative plan, than the 'candy store handouts' being proposed.

Well, if you look back over the last 20 years of SPLOST, and consider that the waste and bloated COT, contractors & engineers fees eat up so much of the money,.. that there seems to never be enough money to get meaningful projects even off the ground, then repeating the same type of initiative, keeping the same folks at the reins, I believe the results after 10 years will be just more of the same,... excuses, budget overruns, more unbearable congested traffic & unfinished projects.

Windy Hill/75//285, for instance, has had SPLOST money & on the projects list for over 10 years. There has been no actual design PLAN shown publicly of this cloverleaf that would 'untie' the traffic congestion. A simple extra ramp lane to 75 north,.. SHOULD have been an easy semi-fix.

A Windy Hill diverging diamond would be another!!

Synchronizing Cobb Parkway & Windy Hill lights would go a long way!

And the exit ramp from 285, dead ending into Cobb Parkway,.. allows no clear access onto Spring Road to Smyrna turn lanes, and causes backup every day like clockwork.

Don't be fooled- the work going on there now,.. is not to help traffic flow,.. only CID pedestrian streetscapes.

Seems Fulton, Gwinnett and Dekalb have moved significant projects forward & their roads are easier to navigate.

Until the corruption in Cobb is exposed , all we can expect is more of the same nonsense.
Mike Sims
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June 21, 2012
Well Duh! Folks don't want this tax, but you don't get out and vote, you're going to get it!
one eye
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June 20, 2012
Perhaps the low turnout is a sign many have decided to vote no. When the issue was now people wanted information and packed the halls, know voters have seen the learned the real traffic truth and are waiting for July 31 to cast a NO vote!
JR in Mableton
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June 20, 2012
When is the Vote No Crowd going to present a plan to address our traffic congestion? While you are at it, please share your transportation credentials and your qualifications to address this issue. Hartsfield Airport was a boondoggle. GA 400 was a boondoggle. The East/West Connector was a boondoggle. Interstate 285 was a boondoggle. The Silver Comet Trail was a boondoogle. Time and time again the Vote NO Crowd is WRONG!!! You were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

sp60
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June 21, 2012
Not so... those were all interesting projects with some vision behind them. All I see in the TSPLOST list is a bunch of local projects that won't do anything concrete for traffic in the region.

I would gladly support this tax for something ground breaking, but the transit projects are dead-ends, and the rest is simply more roadwork. And not even smart roadwork at that.

For example, buses are a prime traffic flow disruptor, as they pickup and drop off passengers that block the right lane.

Installing cut-outs on the far-side of a traffic light, and setting the lights to give the buses a 'window' to pull out eliminates much of that disruption.

Or how about making use of the train tracks that run east/west as commuter rail?

Or syncing traffic lights regionally and putting them under computer control? Add feedback so they could be adjusted based on traffic and this would be a true network.

Those are the kinds of things I would gladly vote 'yes' for, not a bunch of pet projects and generic road repairs.

sp60
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June 20, 2012
It's really too bad, but there's no way I would vote for this piece of pork.

After reading through the project list a month or so ago, it just doesn't make sense to raise the sales tax to fund things that should be coming out of the general fund anyways.

I'll be voting NO on this next month, that's for sure.
Cobb resident & vote
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June 20, 2012
I'll show up where it really counts...at the voting booth on 7/31 to cast my "NO" vote. I'm looking forward to doing so.
KellyWoods
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June 20, 2012
There are several people who simply do not know about this referendum. That is why it will be imperative that people spread the word. Once I realized how close to home many of these projects will be such as improvements at spaghetti junction, and improvements at GA-400/I-285, projects that will impact my drive on a daily basis, I then realized that this referendum needs to be passed.
Missing Improvement
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June 21, 2012
How about projects nearer home that are NOT on the list? I-285 between I-75 and I-85 (except GA 400) gets no help.

Vote NO and do Plan B next year.
unzipped
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June 20, 2012
Cars with automatice cruise control? Driverless cars? Did this guy get hit on the head when he was in the military????? If you don't like what's on the table, come forward with a suggestion that doesn't sound like an episode of The Big Bang Theory, something that is a realistic alternative proposal.
Cobb resident & vote
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June 21, 2012
I'll agree with you that Mr. Ross's comments were odd, to say the least. I hope other more knowledgeable speakers will step up at the next forum. However, I don't need a forum to make my decision and neither do many other active voters. They can read the details among web-sites, news articles, and the actual proposal and decide for themselves that this ill-prepared list of projects is not going to help relive traffic congestion or be worth the added expense to their families.
Summer Time
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June 20, 2012
There is hardly ever a "crowd" for pre-election events which take place in the summer. This is why groups like the pro-SPLOST group schedule controversial votes in the summer. People are less engaged to current events in the summer.
Thomas J. Palmer
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June 20, 2012
Apparently Chuck Clay believes millions spent on Cobb County airport, McCollum, will help relieve traffic congestion....as he stated last night, he approved of this project. Additionally, he believed that spending millions on MARTA expansion is of no concern of people in Cobb County. Is he forgetting this is a REGIONAL TAX? The TIA proposals are designed for economic development, not to help move traffic rapidly through Atlanta. Do the research. Don't accept propaganda from proponents as truth.
Rich1911
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June 20, 2012
Here's an idea. Let's bump the sales tax increase to 5%. We'll buy a fleet of limozines to take anyone anywhere they want to go!

That's ridiculous you say? Too much money for too little service? You are right. That is ridiculous and so is TSPLOST.

Sure it would be great to have better transportation... and even a fleet of limos. But government is way to big already and very inefficient. Has anyone looked at the economy lately? Yea, let's increase taxes! I can't find a job and our government wants to increase taxes. Only in America.

Here's a better idea. Let's cut waste out of our already bloated government and use those funds to improve transportation. Better yet, take those funds and privatize the effort. The public will get a better system at a better price.
NO NO NO
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June 20, 2012
No need to attend - I'm voting NO!
Kennesaw Resident
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June 20, 2012
AMEN!
Smyrna Loses
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June 20, 2012
The train will bypass Smyrna and create a new strip city along US41. We have enough trouble keeping Market Village filled with merchants now. Why do we want a train that will pull even more business away from here? It's just like the Interstates that pulled the live out of small cities across the USA. Our neat new Courthouse will stand in a wasteland.
Lighten Up Francis
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June 20, 2012
Whatever ends up happening along the 41 corridor will not negatively impact the City of Smyrna. It will only help both the city and residents. From a mobility, choice and economic development standpoint I only see upside.
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