Super says Georgia education ranks 7th nationally
by Lindsay Field
June 10, 2012 01:22 AM | 6118 views | 17 17 comments | 17 17 recommendations | email to a friend | print
SMYRNA — State Superintendent Dr. John Barge said Georgia’s education system is not nearly as bad as media reports would have people believe.

Barge returned to his hometown last week to speak to a group at Vinings Bank in Smyrna about the quality of education in Georgia and explain what the College and Career Pathways initiative means to public education.

“It didn’t matter when I walked through the doors of Campbell High School who I was, what color I was, whether I was rich or poor, whether my dad was an alcoholic,” he said. “None of that stuff mattered because I had the exact same opportunity as every kid in that building to take what was being offered to me and to do something with it.”

Barge said he was the first person in his family to go to college. He attended what is now Berry College in Rome on a full academic and journalism scholarship and worked his way up through the educational channels to become the state’s chief.

“I am very passionate about public education,” he said. “I call it the great equalizer.”

In speaking about the state’s ranks nationally, Barge said media reports don’t tell the whole story.

“Good news in public education rarely make the media, and if you are basing your opinion on what you hear in the media, you probably have a rather negative opinion about public education,” he said.

He cited “Education Week,” a publication that ranks school systems on 129 factors.

“Their 2011 study came out in January, and they ranked Georgia’s public educational system 7th in the country,” he said to applause.

Barge also said Georgia ranked 13th in the nation in terms of students who do well enough on Advance Placement tests to be exempted from college courses.

“Everything is not rosy, and trust me, I’m not going to put lipstick on a pig, but one of the things that frustrates me to hear … if you listen to just the sound bites, Georgia ranks 48th,” he said. “There’s only one indicator that Georgia ranks 48th on and that’s SAT scores, but here’s the rest of the story.”

Barge said Georgia performs very well on the number of students taking the SAT, a statistic that is not usually reported.

“If you look at the top 10 (states), not a single one of them test more than the top 9 percent of their (seniors),” he said. “Georgia’s participation rate was 80 percent.”

Barge agreed that the average test score for Georgia, which is 1450 out of 2400, could be higher, but when he took the top 5 percent of the test takers in the state and compared them with the leading state, which only tested 5 percent of their students, Georgia students outscored them by 195 points.

“We’re doing a much better job than what the general public thinks,” he said. “We do have issues with graduation rates, just like a lot of other states do.”

To raise graduation rates, the state is starting the College and Career Ready initiative in fall 2013.

Barge said research shows that more than 1 million students drop out annually, and many of those said it was because high school was “boring and irrelevant.”

“How do we make education relevant?” he asked. “How do we make not only education relevant, but (educators) relevant?”

“There are a lot of jobs out there for young people to be successful that don’t require a four-year degree, but if we push them all that way, that’s when they get frustrated and it becomes irrelevant,” he said. “The career pathways initiatives is really geared towards helping children find their passions … (and) designing an educational opportunity for them around that area of interest so they can be successful and teaching rigorous academics through a way they can understand it.”

He told the story of a trip he took to Peach County High School in middle Georgia, where he visited an automotive class of five students who were preparing for a competition in Las Vegas where they disassemble and reassemble an engine as quickly as they can.

Barge said the students were able to do this in 26 minutes.

“It was an amazing thing to see,” he said.

The pathways program will help students like those team members by allowing them to choose from 17 career education tracks, he said.

“Does that mean you’re locking kids into a career?” he asked. “No, absolutely not. It’s trying to help them find their interest and prepare them for post-secondary education.”

After the meeting, Barge said the College and Career Ready program wouldn’t put a financial burden on school districts like Cobb and Marietta’s.

“It’s an organization model more than anything else. It’s making sure students take the right courses,” he said. “There may be the need to develop additional courses to build out these pathways, but that will take place at our level.”

He also said that not every district and high school would be required to offer all 17 pathways.

Following his presentation, Barge took questions from the crowd. The first came from Cobb Chamber of Commerce CEO and President David Connell, who asked about the superintendent’s view on charter schools.

“They are an important part because they grant flexibility to a lot of policies that we have, but they aren’t necessarily a silver bullet,” Barge said. “Just because it’s charter doesn’t mean it’s going to be successful.”

Of the 150 charter schools currently in Georgia, only 38 are meeting their goals, he said.

“It absolutely can fill a need, but it’s got to be done right,” he said.

The president of an engineering firm in Cobb County said her business is having trouble finding qualified employees.

“We can’t find American engineers,” she said. “In the career pathways, where does that fit?”

Barge said one of the 17 clusters focuses on Science, Technology, Engineering and Math and that they’ve looked to Lockheed Martin in Marietta for help in designing a pathway for it.

“They were one of the first folks that really approached me with the issue,” he said.

When asked how districts can get rid of “bad teachers,” Barge said the state is working on a new statewide teacher evaluation system.

“We are moving from highly qualified to highly effective, and that is being measured by student performance,” he said. “Did students learn? That’s the bottom line.”

Lastly, Connell asked how the state can prevent another testing scandal like in the Atlanta Public School System.

“The problem, I believe, is really grounded and rooted in No Child Left Behind,” Barge said. “We created an environment for teachers and for our schools where everything hinged on whether students passed a test.”

“That was the main reason when they announced that states could have the opportunity to apply for waivers from No Child Left Behind, we jumped on it,” he said. “We created the College and Career Ready Performance Index. The tests are still a part of the accountability, but it’s not just the test anymore.”

He said 19 indicators on the index at the high school level would address not only college readiness but also career readiness for students.

“We’ll get out of an environment where folks feel compelled to cheat on a test,” he said.

Barge, who graduated from Campbell High School in 1984, was elected the state’s superintendent in November 2010 and has been an educator for 21 years. The 45-year-old was born and raised in Smyrna, where his mother still lives.
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Thomas J Palmer
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June 12, 2012
Anyone bother to look at the statistics concerning high school graduation percentages?? Georgia is 5th from the bottom. These stats are from 2007-08.

DC 54.9 graduate

SC 58.9 graduate

LA 61.3 graduate

MS 63.6 graduate

GA 65.4 graduate

Not really a topic Georgia educators want to tout.

Perhaps industries refuse to locate in Georgia due to the results of our education system.
Yoda202
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June 11, 2012
The rest of the story? Sure we look good when we dismiss the massive CRCT test cheating

scandal, and Georgia’s poor graduation rate, those number should improve especially if you are 16 and miss 10 days in a row, you are withdrawn. . ."withdrawn" in 2012 is the new under reported "drop-out" rate.
R. Lee Bays
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June 11, 2012
It's also good to see that Georgia has finally climbed up to the national average on the 2011 National Assessment for Education Progress in science.

Sadly by being average, we lead the South!
Jim Moon, Jr.
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June 10, 2012
I am not surprised that Georgia is better than most realize. I am surprised to hear about 'what is now Berry University' mentioned in this article.

As a classmate of Dr. Barge's at Berry College in Rome, I'm sure all the alumni and staff would like to know when this change took place.

Aside from that goof, this article is very encouraging. And I'm proud of Smyrna, John Barge and Berry!
Pam J
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June 10, 2012
When I was a senior in high school (Osborne, 1970-1971), the federal government came in and gave the civil service exam for anybody who wanted to take it. College wasn't as big a deal as it is now. Before I even graduated, I had job offers from three different agencies. Schools are not doing a good job of helping kids figure out what they want to do and what they are best at. Some of them will be better off going to technical schools. College doesn't guarantee anything any more. If you get training in plumbing, electrical, other trades, you will more than likely be able to make a good living.
Real data
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June 10, 2012
Nice to have a journalist actually dig beyond the surface and expose a little reality. Our public educators do a good job in Cobb County as a whole.

Thanks
Think About It
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June 10, 2012
I base my opinion on 12 years of experience in the public schools, and public schools are in trouble. It's all about the money, not education, and if we are patting ourselves on the back for educating the top 5%, we are sorely misguided (and I say that as a teacher of the gifted). I hardly call this "equalized."

We are still shortchanging the vast majority of the state. We are still too focused on test-taking. We are still devaluing and depersonalizing education.

Career Pathways is great, except that by the time students reach 9th grade and have to choose what they want to study, they will have been so spoon-fed and worksheeted to death that they will have no idea what they like or want to do; they don't know how to express a preference in what they learn because no one will have asked them up until 9th grade. You cannot expect a seismic shift to suddenly motivated learners after leading them around by the nose for 10 years.

New programs aren't good just because they are new. We need a paradigm shift that includes re-defining what it means to be educated before anything else can be successful. Otherwise, this is just another brick in the wall.
MAY-RETTA SURVIVOR
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June 10, 2012
Just who is "Dr" Barge trying to fool anyway? It's painfully obvious that Bage spends little, or no, time out in a public situation. Should he care to do this he would have a First Hand opportunity to witness and listen to the product of Georgia's so-called "education system": young adults who cannot speak in a complete sentence without swearing, who cannot do simple math, and are completely lacking in manners or social grace. Oh, and for those 5 who could reassemble a car engine in 25 minutes; this is a "skill" they plan on to make a living anywhere...other than in their driveway? Me thinks the "Dr" is easily impressed! Give me a break!
Kennesaw Resident
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June 11, 2012
I would like to point out that manners and social grace are not part of the public school curriculum and should be taught in the home.
MAY-RETTA SURVIVOR
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June 12, 2012
@kennesaw resident: Fact is, when I was in school they were taught! You may, if you wish, offer as many excuses as you want. However, the fact is that today's "youth" don't have a clue or the skills of what is required to exist in today's workplace.
Kennesaw Resident
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June 12, 2012
@May-retta Survivor, I am not offering an excuse. Just pointing out a fact - they are not part of the curriculum.
Blame the teachers
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June 13, 2012
Teachers are just glorified babysitters. They should teach our kids how to act respectfully to adults since us parents don't have time to. We should really be able to blame pretty much anything that goes wrong with society on teachers.
Manners vs. Ethics
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June 14, 2012
There are many things that are not part of the "curriculum" that teachers teach via modeling and classroom rules and procedures. Look at any teacher's rules and you will find that manners and ethical behaviors permeate them. How about one person speaks at a time, wait your turn, the golden rule. Yes, parents should teach their children manners and ethical behavior, but teachers play a role in that naturally. Remember, "It takes a Village..."
Be Reasonable
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June 14, 2012
@MAY-RETTA SURVIVOR:

"young adults who cannot speak in a complete sentence without swearing, who cannot do simple math, and are completely lacking in manners or social grace." I agree that the social patterns and practices of many of our youth is disturbing but I submit that the overriding influence is from their non-school activities and cultures of their peers. Have you seen what these kids are watching on TV? Have you seen how they interact with each other? This is a parent/community problem and should not be blamed on schools unless you want less focus on academics and career options with that instructional time placed on acceptable social behaviors instead. Me? I'd rather my kids learn how to write well, do advanced math, and apply critical thinking skills. Our school systems are in trouble because of legislated mission creep. Please lets focus on the basics so our kids have a chance at a good future.

Thank you!
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June 10, 2012
How incredibly refreshing to hear the 'real' story about public education in Georgia.

Our teachers, for the most part, do an incredible job and it shows!

(And no, I'm not a teacher; I'm a parent of three who is incredibly grateful for the education my students received.)
JA Bolton
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June 10, 2012
Charter schools are dangerous - why do I propose this theory? Just look at the situation in Alpharetta with the Science academy. When I first heard WSB's coverage, i thought, "Now, who could possible oppose a science academy?" Then I heard another channels report, a more in depth expose of the situation about H1B visa teachers being brought into our country, a school trip to Turkey (who goes to Turkey on school trips?), and then the icing on the cake, the reports about the radical Islamic cleric behind the the curtain. I warned about this in the 1990's when Georgia State made an alliance with Mt. Paran Church of God to give Mt Parn's psychological studies students a special degree track not open to regular students because 1) I objected to the Mt Paran program's teachings that stood in direct opposition to the ethics of the American Psychological Association, and 2) because opening the program to one religious group opens it to all, including radical Islamists.

Now comes the secondary school push for charter schools and we have another situation where taxpayer money can be directed to schools that, at the very least, teach anti-American political doctrine and what most Christians consider heresy. wake up and smell the coffee before it burns you severely.
J Thomas
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June 11, 2012
I have taken students to both Egypt and Turkey. They were wonderful trips and a terrific learning experience for the students. I would still take students to Turkey, but sadly Egypt would not currently be an option for me personally.

As to your poiint about anti-American political doctrine, is it no wonder other countries dislike us when we have no qualms about overthrowing their duly-elected leaders to put in place others more palatable to the U.S., i.e. Mosadek in Iran in 1953?
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