Polls show TSPLOST has tough road ahead
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The proposed regional sales tax for transportation and other purposes is losing ground less than a month before its fate will be decided by voters in a July 31 referendum.

Only 38 percent of voters sampled in the 10-county metro Atlanta region support the new sales tax, while 49 percent oppose it, according to a poll last week by Rosetta Stone Communications for WSB-TV. That’s a big drop from 42 percent support versus 45 percent opposed in a late May survey by the polling firm.

Only Fulton and DeKalb now provide significant support with a combined 50 percent in favor and 32 percent opposed to the proposal that is estimated to raise more than $6 billion for transportation projects, airports, parks, sidewalks and other amenities, while generating economic development.

The TSPLOST is in serious trouble in the other eight counties — Cobb, Cherokee, Clayton, Douglas, Fayette, Gwinnett, Henry and Rockdale. In this doughnut around Atlanta, nearly two-thirds of the voters — 61 percent — oppose the tax while only 29 percent favor it. The lowest level of support is in north Fulton, Cobb and Cherokee counties, according to pollster John Garst. If supporters are to improve their chances, they must focus on heavily populated south DeKalb and Clayton counties, but as the pollster pointed out, there’s a short window of opportunity to try to reverse the numbers.

Despite the heavy advertising and strong support from the business and political communities, opponents have made headway since several groups decided to form a coalition working against the TSPLOST, officially known as the Transportation Investment Act referendum. The Georgia Taxpayers Alliance is spearheading “a grassroots campaign” to defeat the proposal.

Even more troublesome for the proponents, the respected Georgia Public Policy Foundation, whose trustees and advisory board are dominated by business executives, has given the TSPLOST a bad review. In analyzing the plan, GPPF Vice President Benita Dodd wrote that while there are some good transportation projects in the proposal, “others won’t move the needle toward mobility while still others are massive boondoggles that will put this state at a disadvantage for decades to come.”

“The prime folly, of course, is metro Atlanta’s list,” she asserted, pointing out that “52 percent of the $6.14 billion funding goes to transit in a region with 5 percent transit use. It includes a push for fixed-guideway transit instead of more flexible bus rapid transit options that could move with population demographics, plus it would commit the region to wasteful spending on questionable projects for long past the 10-year sales tax.”

In Denver, where voters approved a 0.4 percent sales tax for a 12-year regional transit plan in 2004, Dodd reported, “officials are back this year seeking a doubling of the tax and delaying the project completion date.” Other liabilities in her view include the use of a sales tax for the funding and the proponents focusing their “education” efforts on “economic development, jobs and public safety” — instead of “promising that Georgians and freight will be able to travel from Point A to Point B as quickly, efficiently and cost-effectively as possible.”

With opposition coming from across the political spectrum, ranging from the tea party on the right to environmentalists on the left, the TSPLOST is facing a steep uphill battle and likely defeat at the polls July 31.
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regsgridlock
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July 09, 2012
If commute times by car are estimated to be reduced 6% (and I'm being generous in assuming there would be any improvement at all on my route since none of the projects will help at all), then my 30-minute commute will be shortened by 1.8 minutes. And for that microscopic improvement, they want me to pay another penny for every dollar I spend? No thanks! Go back to the drawing board, come up with some REALISTIC plans for reducing traffic congestion, identify the commute time improvements, and let's vote again in two years.
unzipped
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July 09, 2012
As an East Cobb resident working downtown, I would truly love to see something happen that would shorten the time I sit in traffic just getting to the interstate, so I can sit on that for a while, then sit on the poorly designed exit lanes to get to my office. However, this "plan" is not it! I have lived in other large municipalities, and the solutions there include viable, safe, flexible, cost efficient rapid transit, slightly higher fuel taxes, and tolls on bridges and tunnels leading into the main population areas. Commuters can choose to ride the viable, safe, flexible, cost efficient rapid transit or drive their cars and pay the tolls. And, those folks who are not commuting are not paying more at the cash register in sales taxes to support those who do commute!! Sure, folks with cars will not ride our current transit system, it is neither viable, safe, flexible, or cost efficient---but with a lot less than 8 billion bucks, it could be!!
truth is
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July 07, 2012
only an idiot would vote for this tsplost
Don't Dis Denver
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July 07, 2012
As a Cobb transplant I can tell you, y'all would do well to emulate metro Denver and RTD. Is it perfect? Of course not. But they actually have sufficient intestinal fortitude to DO SOMETHING to address traffic and public transportation needs. The system is a solid blend of local and express busses that feed clean, convenient, efficient light rail lines, which access the 3 major sports venues (Mile High, Pepsi, Coors), the popular LoDo/16th Street Mall area downtown, and Denver University, Metro State University and the University of Colorado Denver campuses, among other destinations. Keep squabbling, and the only progress Atlanta will make is to fall further and further behind.
TIC
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July 09, 2012
Funny everyone I know in Denver or from Denver thinks the FASTRAX is a serious government boondoggle and the people in Denver aren't exactly known for being a conservative bunch
South Dekalb Ray
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July 07, 2012
They have got to be kidding if they think the way to improve the chances of this thing passing is to concentrate on South Dekalb. The only significant project planned for South Dekalb is the stupid Bus Terminal(which we do not want and would be a waste of money). There are no meaningful projects planned for my area and I am definetely voting "no" and there is no reason for anyone from my area to vote yes for this thing. The beltline is going to be the downfall of this thing. It is a limited tourist and intown attraction costing big bucks that will have absolutely no impact on commutes. People are going to point to this waste as a reason why much needed improvements are not beihg proposed for their area.
East Cobb Guy
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July 05, 2012
Gasoline Taxes are the original user fees. Those whose use roads pay for it through motor fuel taxes. Someone purchasing clothing or home improvement products has nothing to do with transportation. We have a governor who is not increasing fuel taxes when they are scheduled to rise because it's a bad time to raise taxes, but we are expected to raise taxes on ourselves. My cowardly assemblyman came to my door and urged a "No" vote on the Tsplost. Why did he vote for this disaster?
TIC
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July 06, 2012
@East Cobb Guy

Exactly right.

Nothing is more fair than user fees and Gasoline Taxes are a perfect example. If you don't own a car or use bus transit then you don't pay. If you do, then you pay taxes commensurate with the amount of your use.

Perfectly fair and equitable.

As for your legislative rep voting for the TIA legislation.

Maybe he/she thought that the Rountable representatives would endeavor to come up with a reasonable and realistic project list instead of perverting the TIA legislation into their own personal pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Regardless, the gasoline tax is the way to go.
SG68
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July 05, 2012
It's not particularly suprising that the TSPLOST boondoggle is having a difficult time getting traction with the voters in Metro Atlanta.

Since most of the suburban communities are populated with educated individuals who also have some good ol' commom sense they can see this taxpayer scam for what it is.

A bailout for a dysfunctional, mismanaged and corrupt MARTA system.

A slush fund for self interested developers and politicians.

A giant step toward a permanent 1% sales tax.

A poorly thought out transportation "plan" that does little to relieve congestion and increase mobility in the region.

Even with the tsunami of a multi million dollar developer funded propaganda campaign that has inundated the airwaves and print media with half truths, misinformation, unsubstantiated claims and outright lies about the supposed benefits of the TSPLOST, the public is still resisting the brainwashing effort.

I am all for solutions to our transportation issues as I am sure many others in our region are.

However, what we are being presented with on July 31st is NOT a realistic solution.

Let's go back to the drawing board and come up with something that will actually work.

J Balfour
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July 05, 2012
So why do Georgians keep re-electing the same people who are pushing this? Are Georgians just that stupid?
GS 67
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July 06, 2012
I believe that you would be a better and happier person if you just moved to southern Alabama. Your rants portray you as a very unhappy person. I hope that come 8-1, you will be like a bride left at the alter. Could you be Rene? Sure sounds like it.
SG68
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July 06, 2012
@ GS 67

Please try to respond with something other than immature postings that add nothing to the debate on the subject article.

If you disagree with my positions try formulating a counter argument.

Nothing wrong with a spirited debate.

Of course that is assuming that you are capable of articulating your position on various issues. Hurling elementary school insults just reveals your lack of intellect.

By the way what's wrong with Southern Alabama?

I think I know who the Rene you referenced is and I am not her. Sorry to disappoint.

You are right. I could be a better person, but I am pretty much satisfied with the way I am.

I don't think I could be much happier, but I am certainly open to the possibility.

Hopeful voter
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July 05, 2012
The nicest way to increase taxes is to have citizen oversight, put it to vote, and have the taxes go to a defined set of projects made public and drafted by 200,000 public citizens' input, as well as overseen by a public audit committee. If this does not pass:

Counties and municipalities will be forced to increase taxes the traditional way WITHOUT a vote and without public input or oversight. Top it off with the fact that in the eyes of the private sector Atlanta will be seen as a city/region that can't deal with its own problems, and thus investment in Atlanta will fall short.

Perception is everything. Good luck Cobb County; I hope you don't spoil it for 5 million other people in the region. Roads cost more money and make less money than transit, but are still 50% of the package.
Oh, go on
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July 05, 2012
The Georgia Public Policy Foundation opinion and the Denver example provide great evidence that this particular plan is the WRONG plan.

There is much pork in this plan, e.g. the Beltline project! That project is a lifestyle project for Atlanta residents. The Transform Metro Atlanta website highlights the following benefits of the TIA: 1300 new acres for PARKS; 33 miles of TRAILS; 5600 units of AFFORDABLE HOUSING; HISTORIC PRESERVATION; PUBLIC ART AND URBAN DESIGN; and 1100 acres of ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP. They also claim a 22 mile transit loop and a supposed 30K job increase. All this lifestyle design and manipulation is supposed to improve congestion for the remaining regional taxpayers?! Ha!
Hoping for NO
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July 05, 2012
"The nicest way to increase taxes..." Brilliant.

We're in the worst economy since the Great Depression and you believe now is the time to raise taxes?! I can only assume you have no economic worries of your own. Perhaps it's a fat PR contract from the Chamber that keeps you comfortably out of touch.
@H.voter
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July 05, 2012
Your first paragraph is incoherent. What are you trying to say? What 200,000 public citizens' input? What is a public citizen? What public audit committee? There is no such thing as a "nice tax increase" unless you are the person who either doesn't pay the tax or you profit from the tax. Now, your second paragraph is plain foolish. If the counties and municipalities push forward a multi-billion tax, there will be absolute hell to pay. The recall petitions will be flying. Your third paragraph shows just how small and petty you are. Simply stated, you are using dishonest scare tatics. I just love idiots like you. You are to be dispised. Good luck with that.
Cobb Voter
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July 05, 2012
I'm with you on roads not being the end-all solution to our future. From what I've read, though, the project list includes Bus Rapid Transit (requiring roads), which may or may not be implemented in place of light rail. Point being, even though the project list has been defined, voters are not guaranteed that the project, that might sway their vote, comes to fruition.

Also, should your hypothetical of counties raising taxes traditionally occur (and I agree, it could), some voters might consider this ideal. Taxes raised in said way tend to arrive in more manageable sums, held to fairer oversight; tax-raising politicians can be held more accountable (not sure who to oust if the TSPLOST passes and doesn't solve anything); and voters will more likely to be able to directly utilize the fruits of their taxes. Granted, counties will need to agree when it comes to inter-county connection.

I'll be voting "no," and I hope that you don't spoil this opportunity to encourage the creators of this tax to return to regional voters with a more concrete list of projects, guaranteed to be what actually gets constructed.
Freddie Blassy
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July 05, 2012
Best thing to do is kick 'em while they're down!

The reasoniong is that the spendthrift politicians have thrown us down and kicked us forever and will do it again every time they get a chance.
Kennesaw Resident
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July 05, 2012
I already voted "NO" on my absentee ballot!
NtheNo
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July 05, 2012
Remember the Denver example and cast a big fat NO to T$$$LOST.
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